What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible?

For a long time I was confused about the difference between what the Bible calls the “Old Covenant” and the “New Covenant.” I imagine many outoftheoverflow.com readers still struggle with some confusion between the two.

This post has been made in hopes of clearing up that confusion.

The Old Covenant was in effect during the time before Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection when the Jews were living under the Mosaic Law, or, the Old Law, and is associated with the Old Testament and the leadership of Moses.

The New Covenant went into effect after Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection that fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant and Old Law, and is associated with the New Testament and the leadership of Jesus.

When I was in college a professor of mine named Dr. Phil Thompson presented my class with a handout put together by a man named Jack McKinney. I’d like to share the contents of that handout with you today as I’ve found them to be very helpful.

Jack McKinney uses 2 Corinthians 3 to compare/contrast the Old Covenant to the New Covenant in a way that really helped clear up a lot of confusion for me … check it out:

The Old Covenant vs. The New Covenant

Jeremiah 31:31-34

McKinney goes on to note:

It was not merely the glory (GREEK: Doxa; cf. English “doxology”) which was transient in nature, but the Old Covenant itself. A close reading of 2 Corinthians 3:11 makes that clear, though some commentators have missed this. It is especially clear from 2 Corinthians 3:7, where Paul speaks of the “ministry that brought death … engraved in letters on stone” coming with glory (NIV). It does not make sense to say that the glory of the Old Covenant “came with glory.” To understand this chapter, one must turn back to the situation in Exodus 34, and even then Paul’s argument may seem a bit strange to us. Still, his line of reasoning in one that is quite acceptable to that of the rabbinical interpretation of his time. It is not, of course, as if the Old Testament were of no value to the Christian. As the tutor or schoolmaster whose purpose was to lead to Christ, it has tremendous value for us, but the fact that “now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law” (Galatians 3:19-23, 25; 2:19-21).

I’ve retyped the original handout by Jack McKinney as it was given to me with a couple of minor changes (mostly typos), and encourage any serious Bible student to download and study it.

That leads me to the question: what should we do with the teachings surrounding the Old Covenant today? Should we simply ignore them, or are they still applicable?

I really appreciate the way Mark Driscoll explains this on pages 46 & 47 of his book On the Old Testament (A Book You’ll Actually Read):

I have also been asked many times whether we need to obey all commands in the Old  Tesatment. The short answer regarding law is that all of the Old Testament commands/laws were fulfilled in Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:17-18). This does not mean that we do not love and value the Old Testament law. But it does mean that we are no longer under it. Similarly, when I was in high school I had to sign an attendance sheet every day, go to assemblies, and bring a note if I had been sick. Since the graduation requirements have been met, I am no longer bound to do those things. This does not mean they were bad, only that they are completed. However, there are some laws from high school that are still binding on me. For example, at my school I was not allowed to kill anyone, sell drugs, or steal. These laws are still applicable to me, even though I have graduated.

Likewise, there are three kinds of laws in the Old Testament.

First, there are ceremonial laws, which are related to the priesthood, sacrifices, temple, and cleanness. These are now fulfilled in Jesus (for example, nearly the entire book of Hebrews addresses this issue for Jews who struggled with the Old Testament laws once they were saved). These laws are no longer binding on us because Jesus is our Priest, Sacrifice, Temple, and Cleanser.

Second, there are civil laws, which refer to the governing of Israel as a nation ruled by God. Since we are no longer a theocracy, these laws, while insightful, are not directly binding on us. As Romans 13 says, we must now obey our pagan government because God will work through it, too.

Third, there are moral laws, which prohibit such things as stealing, murdering, and lying. These laws are still binding on us even though Jesus fulfilled their requirements through His sinless life. Jesus Himself repeats and reinforces nine of the Ten Commandments. The only exception is the Sabbath, because that is part of the ceremonial law. Now our rest is in the finished work of Jesus, not just a day.

In Summary, the ceremonial and civil laws of the Old Testament are no longer binding on us, while the moral laws are.

Is there value in studying the laws surrounding the Old Covenant? Absolutely.

Does that mean we’re still bound to all of them? As both Mark and Jack explain above, no.

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190 thoughts on “What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible?

  1. Julie Elander says:

    We LOVE Jack McKinney! Our whole family often attend his Wed night class at College Church in the summer. The class is for 60-year-olds and older. We don’t care….he’s THAT good!!

  2. WesWoodell says:

    Hiya Julie :)

    I can see why!

  3. G says:

    Actually, the moral laws of the Old Testament are not binding on us. They were replaced by Jesus with a higher standard. Instead of being commanded not to kill, He told us not even to hate someone. Instead of committing adultery, we should not even look at a woman lustfully….

    • Josh Freeman says:

      G,

      I found your reply interesting. Although I understand what you are getting at, I cannot help but think that Jesus did not replace the OT with any higher standards. In fact, I believe God has always kept very high standards for His people. Although Jesus may call us to go “above and beyond” the old law, if we read the OT closely, Jesus really wasn’t sharing much “new” information. He was rather reviving the standards God originally intended. I agree that Jesus calls His disciples to high standards, however, it seems that God has always kept His standards fairly high.

      • brianhyde says:

        I don’t think your conclusion is correct. Christ taught and through His Spirit He ministers “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:2) It is based on divine spiritual principles or virtues that exist in the heart of God. Infinitely higher than the ten commandments could ever be. They were prohibitions against acted offences hence ;thou shalt not’. Compare spiritual virtues of Galatians 5:18-23 and Paul’s conclusion. Christ’s ‘law’ enter into the heart of man and are “written” (Jeremiah 31) or produced there. There are six examples of Christian perfection in Matthew 5:21-48 and these are referred to as the six antitheses. An antithesis is a contrast or opposition of words or sentiments. Using the repeated formula “You have heard it said / But I say to you” and “It was also said to you / But I say to you,” Jesus makes the contrast between the accepted interpretation of the Mosaic law and His teaching which internalizes and intensives the Law of Moses to yield a new standard of obedience. Jesus will use this formula to teach six examples of New Law Christian conduct, and He will use the formula six times in 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; and 43-44 but in verse 26 His additional “I say to you” makes His use of the authoritative “I say to you” number seven times. The seven times repetition of Jesus’ command “I say to you” emphasizes the spiritual perfection to which He calls Christian disciples of all generations.
        Are relationship is not to OC law but to NC grace!

      • just me says:

        sounds like you read your bible

    • Dave says:

      Jesus didn’t “replace” the Old Laws. What he did was confront the traditional interpretations of the Pharisees and explained what the original laws were intended for. He is explaining the spirit of the law, not replacing it.

      • Liv Hicks says:

        Yes, yes, yes! good post.

      • brianhyde says:

        Some people are simply fixated on law. The New Covenant is a NEW covenant. It is not based on old covenant law, it is based on grace and truth ministered through the Spirit. Read Jeremiah where God through the prophet, says that the New Covenant is NOT LIKE the Old Covenant. Why is it that people find it so hard to believe God’s word?

      • tonyho says:

        No Sir you very wrong. Heb 8:13 declares “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” “Away” is aphanismos, Thayer Definition: 1) disappearance 2) destruction. Let me ask you a question, if anyone of you is promoted in your job, do you demand the same conditions of employed is in the old contract of employment, or you enforce the new contract? Jesus fulfilled, meaning they where demands to be met. Eph 2:15 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;” Each covenant has ordinances and Jesus fulfilled those ordinances and the final closing of that covenant was the destruction of Jerusalem, thats is the reference of fade away on Heb 8:13. The Old Covenant unlike the “forever” Abrahamic and the New Covenants, had to be fulfilled. Gal 3:19 “Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.” The Commandments and Ordinances where part of the covenant inorder to retain the blessed stated of those in the commonwealth of Israel. The sacrificial system was ment to keep them enjoying the blessing not to punish, till Christ institute the real Abrahamic covenant.

      • brianhyde says:

        The “oldness of the letter” and the “newness of the Spirit” is an idiomatic antithesis. The first is pure form, the second is fulfillment

        Let me illustrate

        No Smoking sign (oldness of letter)

        Smoker (under oldness of the letter)

        No smoking (Law) I put out my cigarette (form). I still want to smoke (sin)

        Non Smoker (newness of the Spirit)

        No smoking sign (law) God has given me the victory over smoking (sinning) I don’t even want to smoke (sin) Sign not applicable to me because I am no longer smoking (sinning) because I am under grace (kept from sinning)

      • Len says:

        This is good…making more sense!

      • brianhyde says:

        Correct? How is that correct? If we follow your logic we are still bound by the Mosaic Law to offer animal sacrifices!

      • SL says:

        Dave, I do agree with your understanding, it is true if Jesus invented a higher standard as express by G, than it is more difficult to follow Christ who command to keep His commandments in John 15. Instead Jesus interpreted what God demanded of the Law, and show how God do judge people not only by deeds but also the heart, which indirectly claims “Righteousness” is impossible without ‘Grace’, ie. Jesus Christ.

      • just me says:

        Well said.

        There seems to be some misunderstanding going around…
        ****I wonder why no one compares these curses to come up with a logical answer.****

        Deuteronomy 21:22″If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

        Yeshua never sinned.. Yet became cursed because he was hung on a tree.

        Galatians 3:13
        13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us– for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE “–

        Galatians 3:
        10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

        So your cursed if you do good and blessed if you don’t do good , what kind of teaching is that ? Look in Luke 1 about the good testimony John the baptist parents received.
        ————————————————————————————

        Romans 7:13
        Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me?
        May it never be!
        Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
        14For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.…

        So think about this, the law of sin and death is not (Gods law) but the works of the flesh… the law of sin…
        ————–
        Romans 7:23
        22For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man,
        23but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. 24Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?…

        Galatians 5:19Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,…

        Galatians 5:18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
        Romans 8
        1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you a free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

        5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.

        6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.

        7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

        8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

        9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

        10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.

        11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.

        12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.

        13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

        14For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 15The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”
        16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

        Yeshua was raised from the dead even though he was cursed for obeying unto death being hung on a tree. So I encourage you ask the Lord to help you to do good His way and not by what your flesh tells you….

      • Inez Johnson says:

        Dave, I think you are getting caught up in semantics, the truth is the righteousness of God teaches moral behavior dealing with how mankind deals with his fellowman. The New covenant teaches us that we should not steal, but work and not to commit adultery, but let every man have his own wife, etc. ~We must hear with wisdom and not allow semantics cause us to miss the point. I agree whole-heartedly with the comparison of the difference between the old and the new covenant.

    • SAR says:

      Actually this is NOT the case. In the gospels Jesus states the words He spoke were not His own but the Father’s word. IOW it was not a NEW law but just going back to what God gave in the beginning.

      Its not a higher standard just Jesus reminding them of things they were ignoring.

      Sure the people did not murder but Jesus reminded them to not “hate your brother” in their heart – matter of fact Jesus was quoting the OT!

      Leviticus 19:17
      “Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.”

      The moral laws are still binding otherwise there would be NOT reference to expelling the immoral brother, that the lawless would be cast out & where Jesus stated that those who claimed to be believers but continued in lawlessness (disobeying as if there were not law given) would be told “DEPART FROM ME, I NEVER KNEW YOU!”.

      Please rethink your comment because scripture is clear, we are to NOT continue in sin that grace may abound & that we are to establish the law in our lives.

      IOW be obedient,
      :)

      • just me says:

        Romans 16:17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. 18For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.
        Verse 17 other version say keep away from those. Jesus said he came to bring a sword. That means divisions , there is no peace with those who love sin, its impossible , think about it, 2 Corinthians 6:15Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? 16Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 17″Therefore, COME OUT FROM THEIR MIDST AND BE SEPARATE,” says the Lord. “AND DO NOT TOUCH WHAT IS UNCLEAN; And I will welcome you.…

    • Inez Johnson says:

      I think you are getting caught up in semantics, the truth is the law righteousness of God teaches moral behavior dealing with how mankind deals with his fellowman. The New covenant teaches us that we shall not steal, but work and not to commit adultery, but let every man have his own wife, etc. ~We must hear with wisdom and not allow semantics cause us to miss the point.

  4. ozziepete says:

    Interesting, since I’m preaching from Exodus for the next 3 months! The problem I have with the 3 kinds of OT law, is that I’m not convinced the Scripture makes those distinctions.
    In which version of the 10 Commandments, or anywhere in Scripture is the Sabbath separated from the other 9? That doesn’t mean I’m imposing the Sabbath on the church, just that I’m not sure that the “ceremonial” classification is a good reason not to.
    The followup question is if it’s all been fulfilled etc. why did God preserve it, and why do we study it? (not that we actually do study it much.)

    • Jayne Stewart says:

      God talks about 2 sabbaths—- the Seventh Day Sabbath (Saturday) and ceremonial sabbaths. Ceremonial sabbaths can fall on any day of the week. God made the Seventh Day Sabbath for rest and worship.

      • gilan says:

        hi jane and you are exactly right though god would love for us to worship him everyday he know man has to make a living, work etc..the ceremonial sabbaths were laws given during the mosiac law but THE SABBATH was given since the beginning even before it was called a sabbath he still rested the &th day and since adam and eve were harmonious with god at all times (before the fall) they did the same..the commandments were written in stone and are never changing..even christ said i came not to do away with the law but fulfill it and in matthew he said in no way til heaven and earth passes shall on jot or tittle be taken or added the commandments n law..and honestly its all thru the bible that god never changed anything but only made it better n easier when christ came so dont let anyone defer you from the truth and dont listen to man made theories n doctrine because the father in heaves word and truth is right there in your face and remember hes not gonna say one thing then change it up all crazy all of a sudden with no explanation because he is not the author of confusion 1 corn 14:11..take care :)

      • brianhyde says:

        Then given that you are so sure of your facts it will not be difficult for you to provide the following information for me, will it?

        An uniquivocal scripture evidencing:

        1. a clear commandment from God that before Sinai, during Sinai, and since Sinai that the Gentiles were to keep the Sabbath. Chapter and verse, now, please
        2. a clear commandment from God to Adam and Eve to observie a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
        3 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Adam and Eve were to keep the Sabbath. Ditto
        4 a clear commandment from God to Christians to observe a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
        5 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Christians are to keep a seventh-day Sabbath. Ditto

        You know, I really admire a person who has such confidence as you have about her facts and I am really looking forward to being enlightened.

        Oh, by the way, chapter and verse please Gilan. Don’t give me texts that YOU THINK teach Sabbath keeping — I know all those agruments, What I am asking is clear commandments just like Exodus 20:8

      • msjayne622@gmail.com says:

        Exodus 20:8-11. The Sabbath was created during the creation and is to be upheld by all—-including Adam and Eve.

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      • brianhyde says:

        Then given that you are so sure of your facts it will not be difficult for you to provide the following information for me, will it?

        An uniquivocal scripture evidencing:

        1. a clear commandment from God that before Sinai, during Sinai, and since Sinai that the Gentiles were to keep the Sabbath. Chapter and verse, now, please
        2. a clear commandment from God to Adam and Eve to observie a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
        3 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Adam and Eve were to keep the Sabbath. Ditto
        4 a clear commandment from God to Christians to observe a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
        5 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Christians are to keep a seventh-day Sabbath. Ditto

        You know, I really admire a person who has such confidence as you have about her facts and I am really looking forward to being enlightened.

        Oh, and by the way, CHAPTER AND VERSE please Gilan. Don’t give me texts that YOU THINK teach Sabbath keeping — I am familiar with all those agruents, What I am asking for is clear commandments — just like Exodus 20:8

      • Ask any Rabbi about the law and moral vs ceremonial and civil and you will get a blank look. You know why? Because the Old Covenant did not make any such distinction. No where in Old Testament does it call any of these law and ordinances(613 in all) moral or ceremonial or civil.

      • Jayne Stewart says:

        In Leviticus 23:3 God talks about the Seventh Day Sabbath and the ceremonial sabbaths. The Seventh Day Sabbath was instituted at Creation and was made the 4th commandment of the Ten Commandments which is, also, referred to as The Laws of God. The ceremonial sabbaths were given to Israel—The Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, Day of Atonement, etc. The ceremonial sabbaths were done away with in the New Covenant with the crucifixion of Jesus. However, the Laws of God (The Ten Commandments) were not done away with as people want to believe. In Matthew 5:17 Jesus says, “Do not think that I come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill”. NKJV. I have been taught that The Law always refers to God’s Laws/The Laws of God—-the Ten Commandments. In Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. I have been taught that the laws referred to in the bible are referenced as The Laws of God or the Law of Moses. God’s Laws are the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses refers to the ceremonial laws.

      • brianhyde says:

        Bunk. You “do not know what you are talking about”. 1 Timothy 1:7.

      • Daniel Purifoy says:

        All Sabbaths are the same as pertaining to Covenant ( Exodus 31;12-17). The same law applies to all Sabbaths as stated in ( Exodus 31:15) where we will read the same as stated in ( Exodus 20:8-11). The New Covenant does not include a Sabbath Covenant because it was a sign between God and the Children of Israel alone. Gentiles enter through the Promise made to Abraham and Abraham was not an Israelite nor a part of the House of Jacob.

    • just me says:

      What days did Jesus, disciples, prophets, apostles and so on enter the temple?
      Why did Jesus stay in the grave on the sabbath?
      Why did manna stop on the sabbath?
      Why is it important to teach 6 day creationism when its not important? The seventh day he rested right. If you look at the rules on the Sabbath its a family day. Parents taking time to teach their child right from wrong. No confusion.

  5. WesWoodell says:

    Hiya Pete – Scripture itself doesn’t make those distinctions, but it’s the best explanation I’ve heard so far and it makes sense.

    I personally believe a person so inclined could make a strong case that it’s still God’s will for man to have a day of rest every seven days.

    As for the question, “if it’s all been fulfilled, why did God preseve it, and why do we study it?”, I share my opinion about that in this post.

    • , says:

      Sorry, I was wrong about the Sabbath applying to Adam and Eve. I assumed since man was created on the 6th day and He rested on the 7th it pertained to them also. However, God included the 7th day Sabbath in the 10 Commandments given to Moses. This was His law for Gentiles and Jews alike. Now, are God’s laws and Moses’ law alike? No. Moses’ law contained temporary, ceremonial law of the OT. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat, and drink offerings “till the seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Gal. 3:16,19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses’ law pointed forward to Christ’s sacrifice. When he died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God’s law) “stand fast forever and ever” (Psalm 111:8 . That there were 2 laws is made clear in Daniel 9:10-11.|. Also refer to Rev. 12:17. and Rev. 14:12. The 10 Commandments weren’t done away with as was the law of Moses.

  6. Greg says:

    Good post, Wes. I share your view of the differences between the old and new covenants. About the only thing I disagree with is the ministerial bullet you quoted from that handout. If Moses was the minister of the Old Covenant, that made God’s laws known to His people, then it should be the Holy Spirit that is the minister of the New Covenant, since He is the only One that can write them into our hearts.

    Although the disciples are great examples for us to follow, remember that they were fearful and doubting, until the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit filled them with courage, righteousness, and understanding. We need to remember Who made them great, and that we can be on the same level as them, even higher.

    Through His death on the cross, Jesus opened the way for anyone to enter the Holy of Holies, not just the high priest. While in Moses’ time, he was the mediary between God and men, now Jesus acts as our mediary, providing us direct access to God. He truly is wonderful!

    • just me says:

      Are you suggesting Moses did not have the Holy Spirit?
      There is no sacrifice greater then Yeshua and him defining the meaning of Yehweh’s commands. That explains the copulation of the law. The focus is realizing faith means to trust oral or written laws just as Eve chose to not walk in faith when she was tested. Daddy was unseen.
      Did Paul ever offer sacrifices after he believed?

  7. WesWoodell says:

    Hiya Greg. The word translated “minister” can also be translated “servant.” The Holy Spirit certainly ministers and serves – you’ll get no disagreement from me about that.

    Thanks for the comment :)

  8. Diane, New York says:

    It was a divine help while i was actually studying the Book of Jeremiah regarding the new covenant and i was going to share this on my sunday class.
    I love God’s people, thank you for being obedient to the work of the Holy Spirit in You.
    Amen, i will be back surely…..lol

  9. Les says:

    Why does it seem as if the old covenant is old and faded, and the new covenant…well, new and in fashion? Oh that’s right, because all those quotes are from the new testament! It’s self-advertisement.

  10. Mike says:

    Can you furnish a specific list of all those laws in the New Covenant that are different (i.e. really new) from those given in the old one?

  11. rdm88@airmail.net says:

    unable to download Jack McKinney handout – “site not found”.
    This is not meant to be contentious in any way. Where do you see the Bible diving the law into 3 parts. It never makes that distinction in scripture that I can see. It says clearly in Rom 7 that the believer has died to the law – no distinction as to any particular part, thus, it must mean we died to the entire law? Or, said another way, the believer now has no relationship to the law. It clearly says in 1 Tim 1:9 that the law is NOT for the righteous. Again, doesn’t distinguish any part of the law.
    The phrase “Old Testament” is found in only one verse of scripture. Testament is same word that could be translated as “covenant” as I understand it. Question – what is being referred to as the old covenant? Is it just the Mosaic Law? Are non-believers under the old covenant today? I’m really trying to get a handle on how all the covenants, esp Old and New fit together, as I see this as critical to understanding the entire Bible. Your help would be appreciated. I would also like the read the above referenced article if you have it.
    Sincerely, Rick

    • WesWoodell says:

      The link to McKinney’s handout has been fixed – thanks for the heads up. I recently had some work done on my webserver, and a few things were moved around.

      As to your observation: I do not believe the Bible ever makes the three-part distinction. That observation is Mark Driscoll’s (or whoever he heard it from), and it makes sense in a way.

      Certainly there are parts of the Old Law that are still applicable for disciples of Jesus, but the difference between us and the Jews of old is it is not our following those laws that make us God’s people – it is through Jesus Christ we are God’s people.

      There are basically two functions of the old Law: 1) to reveal what sin is, 2) to reveal our need for a Savior, and some would add a #3 – to be fulfilled in Jesus proving He is that Savior.

      • rdm88@airmail.net says:

        Thanks for your reply Wes.
        As to “parts” of the Law – man divided it, not God. The believer is dead to ALL of the Law. The Law is still alive and necessary to bring the unbeliever to faith in Christ. We NOW live by faith, not by Law. Living by law (any part of it) equals death. Death is the absence of life. Jesus is life. Living by Law results in not experiencing the Life of Christ; not that we don’t have His life (that’s forever), but that we don’t experience His life. Living by any Law, Biblical or those we put our self under (I must have a 30 min. quiet time, memorize 1 verse of scripture/day, go to church every Sunday morning/evening, give 10%, etc) causes one to focus on self – am I keeping the Law, am I doing enough, am I doing as well as the guy in the pew across the isle, etc. The mind set on the flesh is death. We are to set our minds on things above!

        Thanks again for your comments Wes. Still like to hear your thoughts on what is actually meant by the Old Covenant.

      • WesWoodell says:

        If you’re interested in studying this more, you might do some digging into what’s called “the new perspective on Paul.” Read a summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul

        There’s plenty of books to read too.

    • andy buluran says:

      Jesus said, Matthew 5:17 “Do not think.”
      So, do not think it was abolished.

      Old Covenant is the Ten Commandments written in 2 stone tablets (Ex.34:28 & Deut.4:13) The Old Covenant (Ten Commandments) required the blood of the animals (Lev.17:11, Heb.9:22).
      Old Covenant = take note: stone tablets

      New Covenant is the Ten Commandments that was in the minds & on the hearts.
      “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God,
      and they will be my people.” (Jer.31:33)
      New Covenant = take note: minds & hearts

      2Cor. 3:3 written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,
      not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
      John 6:63 “The words I have spoken to you are Spirit & they are life.”
      Matthew 4:4 “but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.”

      Jesus said, Matthew 5:17 “Do not think.”
      So, do not think it was abolished. Because the word of God was God. (John 1:1)

      Blood is required for the forgiveness of sins, Hebr.9:22
      Jesus said in Matthew 26:28 “This is my blood of the covenant for the forgiveness of sins.

      Hebrews 9:22 “the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.”

      The difference between the Old & New Covenant: (Ten Commandments)
      1. (Old)Two stone tablets, (New) minds & hearts
      2. (Old) blood of animals, (New) blood of Jesus

      This is ETERNAL LIFE…the Ten Commandments
      Matthew 19:16-19 What thing must I do to get eternal life? (pls continue reading)

      • laura says:

        the bible is the story of the double-twin wtihin us. first the man of earth-law-human nature- vengence eye for an eye judgmental, unforgiving, 2nd man of spirit, who disires to do good and disires to live the divine law. both are still struggling with law. Man of flesh & man of Spirit. the double is all through the bible… Adam-eve, ishmeal-isaac, 2 nations, 2 sticks, 2 people struggling within her, 7 heads & 10 horns, man of earth- man of heaven, Esua:red- Jacob: deceived, tree of knowledge-tree of life, Jew-Gentile, old test. -new test. Mt. Sina-Mt. Zion, Hagar- Sarah ect…. What I understand is that we first need the written word to learn how to know the ways of God who is spirit and how to connect to Spirit since we are born into flesh and blood by what we see, feel and touch, and hear. Christ is the word of God that is the living visual of what we must do in order to know the Divine spirit of God dwellling within us. to know how to discern the Holy Spirit dwelling within apart from the carnal nature that speaks loudly within. We must go throug a death of all we have known, the written word-law-flesh-10 horns-earthly realm and the human wisdom-7heads-blood-all the voices of humanity that have shaped our understanding & our will to purely hear the divine voice of God- the living word, sword of the Spirit, fountain within us. As you surrender the written word to hear His voice, as jesus said, I must go (the word of god in the flesh) so that the Spirit may come and he will remind you of what we-written word, have talked about. 2nd covenant- I will write my law-word on your heart and mind. the letter: “written word, scirptures” kill but the Spirit- living voice of God dwelling within gives life. meaning that when we try to apply the law-bible to what we see and how we are personally convicted to other people and situations, we are limited not knowing the personal divine will of God in that particular situation and purpose of God. God says He created all things and all exist for His purpose. So when we see judgment, He sees purpose. That is why in the garden He said, if you eat of the tree of knowledge you MUST SURELY DIE…. meaning once you read the written word-law you must lay it down to live to hear the voice of God. Romans says, we are all to die to the word to live to God and that it was meant as a tutor. I still refer the word of God in writing but first I listen for God and HE APPLIES THE WRITTEN WORD to affirm His voice to me. Daniel 9:11 the curses are poured out because we do not HEAR HIS VOICE. Revel 9:11 he has a destroyer over his head = his carnal -human mind ruling him rather than the Spirit mind of God ruling us. 911- the destruction of the ‘TWIN TOWERS” ON CHURCH STREET. Amost 9:11 the purpose of destruction is to REBUILD DAVID: LOVE.
        God has been saying all through events and signs and scripture we are close to an amazing time, but the birthing pains must happen in the earth. bible says, you enter the kigndom of heaven through many tribulations,…. so rejoice. God doesn’t want to rule his people through law, but through intimate relationship of us knowing His heart and mind, and the power of His spirit dwelling wihin us. all the battles fo the laws, in the middle east and the U.S. are symbolic of God saying He is getting ready to move by the Spirit not by the law. There word is first of earthly interpretation and then of spiritual interpretation.
        Mark of the beast 666 = 66 books of the bible-written law,+ “man” -carnal mind, man created on 6th day, = 666. Those marked by forehead= by how they think and those marked on the hand= by what they do= those operating in the written law-flesh and human wisdom are 666. They must trade or sell their mark for the refined gold, human wealth of wisdom that has gone through fire to be refined gold- the mind that is refined through fire. Romans 12:2 transformed by the renewing of our mind. romans 12:2= 2012 bakcwards, when most people went through amazing trials that truly transformed their thinking. hope this helps with what pieces you find connect as truth.

  12. bjbordush says:

    I was just reading the comment by Mark Driscoll when He talks about the the 3 laws of the Old Covenenat. Ceremonial. Civil and Moral Laws. I have to say that when He says that Yeshua only keeps only nine of the commandments and says the Sabbath is the only one was apart of cermonial law. and so we don’t have to observe that command because now by faith we just rest in Christ. I have to say that is not true because the Sabbath was established as a day of rest in Genesis Chapter 2 which says” By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day He rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he rested from all the work of creating that He had done.”
    And if God made it a holy day then I think it still should be observed as a day of rest. For the sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.

  13. brianhyde says:

    Clearly, the Galatian heresy is alive and well today. It is gaining momentum with the rise of certain Messianic groups and gaining strength among established Christian groups which, now, not satisfied with God’s grace grounded on Christ’s finished work, would drag us back under the Law.

    So it is works versus grace.

    Legalism is where I initiate works and God must respond. Grace is where God initiates works and I respond.

    I think we do well to go back to basics. I do not pretend to have all the answers but this is my take:

    Salvation is fully provided by God. He initiated and I responded. I trusted, accepted, received. Now, I am in complete in Christ (Col 2:10). Obedience (or sanctification—already provided in salvation) likewise: God initiates, I respond. I submit and I receive. God’s initiating of my salvation and my obedience from the heart, is solely HIS work—a work of grace, not MY works but HIS (Eph. 2:8-10), which then become mine in reality. Grace works, I receive and reveal in my life and actions. Result? – total harmony with law. Hence, the law fulfilled in Christ is being fulfilled in me (a member of the Body) by His Spirit. For example. Old Covenant commandment: “thou shalt not kill” becomes New Covenent imperative: “love, don’t even hate”. Old Covenant “thou shalt not covet” becomes New Covenant “love, don’t even lust”.

    Good works are the natural fruit of genuine faith and salvation. Both covenants are about law but the law is applied differently in each. Law is God’s will or expectations for and of man. The OC (Law through Moses) ministered law externally, demanding outward obedience (behaviour) in exchange for physical blessings but it was unable to produce a change of heart or attitude. The NC (Spirit through Christ) ministers law internally (Jer 31:31-34) creating obedience from the heart. The heart is renewed (), resulting in a change of spirit, attitude and behaviour. The OC law was written on stone or paper (2 Cor 3); the NC law is written on the heart. The NC is not the Ten Commandments but a reformulation of ALL old covenant laws (“moral” and “ceremonial”) into their highest spiritual intent and summed up in divine love. In other words, it is the same law but with a change of form and mode of expression. The first is “letter”; the second is “spirit”. Result? – Obedience.

    For me personally, I envisage how the inhabitants of heaven keep God’s law. I suspect that they do by nature God’s will. That’s the way I see it for the redeemed now, and when they are glorified.

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  15. david san juan says:

    In moral Law you say only nine is repeated, Do you mean God abolish or rebuke Sabbath? During time of Jesus public ministry He still observing Sabbath. Example when Jesus get angry when the house of prayer of His Father and that Sabbath, front of it they are making business. So my question is Where can We find in the BIBLE verse that SUNDAY is Holy or our Rest day?

    • brianhyde says:

      “In moral Law you say only nine is repeated, Do you mean God abolish or rebuke Sabbath?”

      Good question David.

      First of all the Bible does not describe the Ten Commandments as “moral” law. That, like “ceremonial” law, is a classification of man. While it is a useful classification, it must be used with extreme caution. I believe that the Ten Commandments contain a mix of moral and ceremonial. On the other hand is any law free from moral obligations? The Sabbath is, by its very nature, a ceremonial law; its manifold observances commemorate Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian slavery by the Creator God. A crucial point also to remember is that according to the Torah, it is forbidden to isolate any law from the sacrificial system. All things had to be sanctified through the blood of the sacrifices. Therefore to keep the Sabbath without breaking it, one is required by the Law to offer the obligatory Sabbath sacrifices. It would be no different today UNDER THE MOSAIC LAW. So, if you are going to observe the Sabbath today without breaking it, you need the Levitical priesthood, High Priest, Altar, Temple …. That’s impossible for many reasons which I will not go into. That’s why any so-called Sabbath keeping today is actually a total farce and a breach of the Law of Moses. As we know from Paul and James, if one is going to keep the Law, he must keep the WHOLE Law. It’s all or nothing! But, of course, we are no longer under the dispensation of Law (Moses); we are under the dispensation of Grace and Truth (Christ). Christ fulfilled all law and continues to fulfill it through His Body, the Church, through the ministry of His Spirit. He is our Sabbath Rest.
      “During time of Jesus public ministry He still observing Sabbath. Example when Jesus get angry when the house of prayer of His Father and that Sabbath, front of it they are making business.”
      Yes, of course Jesus kept the Sabbath. He was a Jew and was under the Law of Moses because the dispensation of Law was still in force, that is, until the Cross. There was a transition between the two dispensations, but, significantly, there was no doubt that the dispensation of Law had come to an end when the Temple was destroyed in AD 70!
      “So my question is Where can We find in the BIBLE verse that SUNDAY is Holy or our Rest day?”
      You cannot. There is no verse in the New Testament that stipulates the keeping of any day as a rest day. The keeping of the Lord’s Day as the first day of the week came to be known, is a tradition that has never been a substitute for the Jewish Sabbath. According to Paul, Christians are not bound by any day of the week and we are not to judge any person for the day they want to keep as a holy day. This explains, too, why the NT is silent about the Sabbath. If the Sabbath was in force, Paul would have made it very plain to his Jewish readers and especially to Gentile converts. He would have given clear detailed instructions how it is to be kept. He mentions not a word. But, then that is what we should expect given that the sacrificial system came to an end at the Cross.

  16. Derek says:

    God hallowed the seventh day following His creation. This set apart day was practiced by Abraham, per Genesis 26:5. Just what were these “commandments, statutes, and laws” if they weren’t God’s rules that He gave on Sinai? Also, the Sabbath command was called a “law” PRIOR to Sinai, Exodus 16:28. The Ten Words (commandments) were written in STONE by the finger of GOD and place INSIDE the ark. This is extremely significant, as we can see the REAL ark (as opposed to the temporal earthly man made ark) mentioned again in the book of Revelation, chapter 15. Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath because it is a moral law, just like “do no murder” and “do not steal”. To break the fourth command is “sin” as defined in I John 3:4 (breaking God’s law).

    The teaching of sin and it’s definition is practically nil in mainstream pseudo Constantinian Christianity. Sun god day keepers are simply practicing pagan Babylonian ways and are following the edicts of Rome and her early emperors, who venerated the “day of the sun”. The Bible warns, “Come out her my people” in Rev. 18:4. The same people who proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ are still in Babylon by keeping sun god day, venerating winter soltice (Christ Mass) and lauding Ashtoreth (celebrating Easter).

    God’s ways are simple and clear. His instructions are not difficult to read or follow. Yet millions of so-called “Christians” are NOT obeying Him as a life practice. What are the consequences of this? Romans 6:23 tell us that the “wages of sin (breaking God’s law) is death (permanent death in the lake of fire), but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

    Repentance is KEY to obtaining the grace of God. Repentance from what though? Repentance from sin (breaking God’s law). Paul taught that keeping the law FOR righteousness is impossible, for all have sinned. He was also very clear in the fact that repenting from sin means that one stops breaking the law and starts keeping it. “Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID! Rather, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.” (Rom. 3:31) Why did Paul say this? Because IF we have repented we are making a life practice of following God’s instructions for how to live (rather than continuing in sin), which most certainly includes abiding by His fourth command.

    It’s interesting that Hebrews 3 prefaces Hebrews 4 by telling us the disobedience of those who died in the wilderness for profaning God’s laws, in specific His holy Sabbaths, as Ezekiel 20 aptly reminds us, which is why we can KNOW that Hebrews 4 is a direct reference to the literal seventh day Sabbath-keeping as vital to obtaining God’s promise of eternal rest (eternal life).

    Jesus Christ spoke of a future event and prayed that we would not have to flee in the winter or on a Sabbath. Also, the seventh day Sabbath will be observed in the world under the rule of Jesus Christ, a law for the WHOLE WORLD, along with keeping the feast of tabernacles, Zechariah 14.

    So, we see the Sabbath command from Genesis to Revelation (14:12, 22:14). It hasn’t been “done away”, “kept for us by Jesus Christ”, etc. How can Jesus keep God’s seventh day Sabbath for us? We are INDIVIDUALLY MORALLY responsible to God to obey Him ourselves. To NOT obey Him is not only “sin”, but is also tantamount to NOT knowing Him. I John 2:3-4.

    Those who teach AGAINST God’s seventh day Sabbath command simply don’t know Him. They just know of Rome’s indoctrination, which is what most theologians spout having come from seminaries that propagate Roman Catholic doctrines and creeds, not the Bible’s.

    • andy buluran says:

      I very much agree with you about the Sabbath,
      also Jesus said in Matthew 2:27 “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”

      God was so good to man, he gave us rest day.
      God oblige all people to have the rest day,
      and on this rest day we can enjoy to go to the church.

      Remember, Jesus Christ got angry with his mother Mary
      & his brothers on the Sabbath day.

      Matthew 12:48 He replied, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”

      Because Mary & his brothers should be the first to go to the temple on the Sabbath Day,
      But, where are they?
      They were outside of the temple.

      So, Jesus Christ refused to know them, his mother & brothers, instead in his anger, pointing to his disciples that these who were in the temple are his brother & sister & mother . (Mat.12:49-50)

      • brianhyde says:

        One of the favourite methods of Bible interpretation used by Sabbatarians is to READ into scripture their pre conceived ideas. This is called eisogesis. It is a very dangerous method because it imparts to scripture the will of man and not the will of God. Our safety lies in sticking exactly to what scripture says.

        Sabbatarian assumption: The Sabbath was made at Creation.

        Sabbatarians haven’t comprehended the fact that the word “Sabbath” is never found in the book of Genesis. The first case of Sabbath keeping was in Exodus 16 at Mt. Sinai. Here Jehovah gave Moses the “Ten Commandments”, for the first time in world history. If the Ten commandments did not exist before Moses, then neither did the 4th commandment unless we find some command or example before Moses. The truth is that Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone in while in Egyptian bondage.This covers a period of over 2500 years!

        Before looking again at Holy Writ lets hear from two church fathers:

        150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses… And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, “That you may know that I am God who redeemed you.” (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)

        200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. …Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended… Noah also, uncircumcised – yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath – God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world… Melchizedek also, “the priest of most high God,” uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)

        According to Sabbatarian’s Adam, Noah and Abraham kept the Sabbath.

        A. Even if the Sabbath was given to Adam, that does not mean Christians must keep it because God also gave sacrificial laws of offering to Adam as well (although after the garden). Such an argument by Sabbatarians ultimately proves nothing!

        B. The 10 commandments or Sabbath law did not exist before Moses

        The word “Sabbath” is not found in the book of Genesis! This law was something new. The fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord DID NOT make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.” No one prior to the Exodus from Egypt (Ex 16) even knew about the Sabbath law:

        Ezek 20:10-12 “So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 “And I GAVE THEM My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12 “And also I GAVE THEM My Sabbaths to be a SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.”

        God revealed “made known” the Sabbath law at Sinai, He did not remind them:

        Nehemiah 9:13-14 “You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You MADE KNOWN to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.”

        Galatians 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later (after Abraham)

        First Occurrence of the word “Sabbath” – Exodus 16:22-23:

        And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, ‘This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

        The text in verse 23-30 indicates that this was a new experience for Israel. They were not used to keeping the Sabbath before this time.

        The ten commandments were first given when Moses face shone: Ex 34:27-28; 2 Cor 3
        If they had the Sabbath before Ex 16, then they just as likely had the manna before as well. Yet Sabbatarians freely admit that the manna was something new for them. Yet when we look at the text, the Jews were equally unfamiliar with BOTH manna and the Sabbath.

        C. There is no record or even hint that anyone prior to Ex 16 kept the Sabbath: Yet the Patriarchs were instructed regarding:

        Offerings: Gen 4:3-4
        Altars Gen 8:20
        Priests: Gen 14:18
        Tithes: Gen 14:20
        Circumcision: Gen 17:10
        Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9

        Why would God leave out the “all important” Sabbath command if it was commanded the Fathers?

        D. Sabbath was not sanctified until after God rested: Gen 2:2; Ex 20:11

        First God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it. This proves that the Sabbath was not part of God’s eternal law in heaven prior to creation! SDAs in particular ppromote this idea of the Ten Commandments being eternal law but here we see that God made the seventh-day holy at Creation. Why would He do that if it was already in existnce?

        The Bible no where says WHEN he sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.
        Even if God did sanctify the seventh day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Ex 16.

        Gen 2:2 tells us the reason, not the time that God sanctified the seventh day.

        Genesis was written during the time of Moses, not before. Neither Adam or Abraham had the book of Genesis! For the first time God told the Jews in the wilderness about a Sabbath!

        Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb from before the foundation of the world, ( 1 Pet 1:20; 2 Tim 1:9) but He was not revealed to man until some 4,000 years later. Yet we know God set Jesus apart as the sacrifice for man long before God actually GAVE His son.

        E. The Sabbath would be unsuitable for Adam while in the Garden of Eden:

        Work and labour were only existed after Adam sinned: Gen 3:19

        “strangers with your gates, servants” make no sense in the garden regarding the Sabbath details given to Moses.

        The only two commandments God gave Adam were to keep the garden Gen 2:5 and not eat the forbidden fruit.

        F. The first time any Jewish holy day is mentioned in scripture, it always lacks the definite article (a Sabbath).

        All the Jewish holy days are never introduced the first time in scripture with the definite article “the” but with the indefinite “a” or “an”. The indefinite article is used both before and after something has been instituted, but the definite article (THE Sabbath) is never used the first time something is introduced.

        This powerful argument proves that the weekly Sabbath did not exist before Ex 16:23. What makes it irrefutable, is the fact that every Jewish Holy Day follows this same pattern!

        Before instituted: “tomorrow is a Sabbath” Ex 16:23
        After instituted: “the Lord has given you the Sabbath” Ex 16:29

        Before: “A solemn rest “a” holy Sabbath” Ex 17:22; Lev 16:25
        After: “”the” Sabbath” Ex 20:11

        Before: “”a” memorial” Lev 12:30
        After “the Lord’s Passover

        Before: “”an” holy convocation” Lev 23:21
        After: “”the day of Pentecost” Acts 2:1

        Before: “Unleavened bread: “a” feast: Ex 12:40
        After: “the feast” Lev 23:6

        See also Heb 8:18; Gen 8:20; Lev 23:27
         

        G. The seventh day was not sanctified on day 6, but is an example of Prolepsis:

        Prolepsis: “the representation of something in the future as if it already existed or had occurred.” Webster’s Dictionary

        Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. (This is said before the birth of Cain.)

        Genesis 4:20-21 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. (but not at that time in the narration)

        Matthew 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. (The betrayal did not occur until 3 years later.)

        1 Sam 4:1 not named until later ( 1 Sam 7:12)
        Lk 6:16

        Gen 11:9 (2218BC connected with 1492BC)

        Gen 10:4-5 There were no Gentiles in Noah’s day, connected with 1492BC

        Gen 2:24 there were no mothers and fathers at that time!

        Jn 11:1-2 anointing did not take place until later in Jn 12:3

        When Moses wrote “Genesis” to the Jews, he brought up the reason they kept the Sabbath in the Creation account, although it was not finally revealed until the events recorded in Exodus.

        Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy… For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. ”

        H. Typical case of how Sabbatarians try to prove the 10 commandments existed before Moses. Here is their favourite proof text:

        “because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” ” (Genesis 26:5)

        Now the first mistake is that every time Sabbatarians see “my commandments” they assume it is the ten commandments.

        The second mistake Sabbatarians make is that because the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments they assume it must be a moral law. But does Scripture support this supposition?

        1. When God hallowed the seventh day He did so to commemorate the finishing of His work of creation. The seventh day was a memorial of His Rest. Whatever meaning God gave to the seventh day by blessing it, this blessing has its genesis in a divine memorial. Instituting a divine memorial is not the same as instituting a law for man!
        2. God hallowed the seventh-day BEFORE sin entered the world. When God made the seventh day a memorial of His Rest, Adam had not yet sinned. Unlike the other laws of the Decalogue, the Fourth Commandment does not provide a remedy for sin, (i.e. behaviour mandated to rectify a moral wrong) but binds Israel to remember and commemorate a pre-existing memorial as an acknowledgment that the Creator God had delivered them from Egyptian bondage and to teach them the lesson of resting in Him.
        3. Work (the central aspect of the Fourth precept) is not intrinsically immoral. In Exodus 20: 8 God disallows something one day a week that is perfectly legitimate the other days of the week. This is not, therefore, a law dealing with immoral behaviour since immoral behaviour is ALWAYS wrong, seven days a week; not just 24 hours of a week!

        That the seventh day was hallowed as a memorial BEFORE sin entered is crowning evidence that the Sabbath law, which came later, was purely commemorative in nature, and since commemoration is an attribute of ceremony, we can safely conclude that the Sabbath precept is, ipso facto, a ceremonial law. And this is exactly what the Bible teaches, to wit, Colossians 2:16.

    • , says:

      Very well put. Thank you!!!!!!

  17. brianhyde says:

    Derek, God made the 7th day holy (sanctified). What makes something sanctified? By setting it apart. Is the seventh day holy in and of itself? I don’t think so. It looks and sounds like any other day to me. No, for a day to be holy it has to be observed as holy and in a specific way. For God to have required Adam to keep the seventh day holy necessitated clear stipulations from Him HOW it was to be kept, i.e. observed. Did Hed so? No. Why not? Because it was GOD who rested and He rested from HIS work. He continues in that rest. So He is the One keeping it holy. Did He ask Adam to rest? No, because for one thing Adam did not have any work to rest from. Pre-Fall Adam obeyed by his moral nature God’s universal law but observance of a day is not something that can be written on the heart morally (and don’t forget Adam’s moral nature was already created BEFORE the seventh day). Keeping something holy is all about rituals

  18. brianhyde says:

    Contd.

    And assuming it had been ordained (which it most certainly was not) any observance on Adam’s part would have been purely commemorative thus making the Sabbath a ceremonial day. Fact is, if God asked Adam to do something in connection with the seventh day why is it not recorded in Genesis for his posterity? Not only is it absent but God didn’t even call the 7th day “the Sabbath”. Some scholars believe that in Genesis 2 Moses is writing back into the Genesis account what God commanded him hundreds of years later at Sinai. That would make sense and if true further diminish the likelihood of the Sabbath being a creation ordinance. That’s my honest understanding from scripture. You cannot argue from silence

  19. brianhyde says:

    Contd You can read through the whole of the first book of the Bible and there is not a word about the Sabbath. It is only when we get to the story of Moses and Aaron we see them causing the people to rest from their labours. I am forced by dint of scriptural silence to state that there is nothing in the Bible pre-Sinai covenants where it explicitly states that God gave the Law (the Mosaic Law) to the Patriarchs.

    The law of Moses was only given to the Jews (Deuteronomy 5:1-3). The Gentiles were also under law but not under the law of Moses. We know that there was law to the Gentiles because without law there is no sin (Romans 5:13). It is clear from Romans 1 that they had transgressed law because they are condemned in sin by Paul, showing their need for a Saviour from their sins. This law has been called various things throughout time. Some have called this law to the Gentiles the “Adamic law” (Romans 5:14). From Romans 8:2 this law to the Gentiles has also been called “the law of sin and death.” In most cases, this law to the Gentiles has been called “universal moral la.” though this is not a Biblical term. Up to this point, there is no reason for argument, for we must accept that Gentiles are under law (whatever name one chooses to call it) and the Jews were under the law of Moses.

  20. brianhyde says:

    Contd
    The fact that God ordained the Sabbath to be kept by the children of Israel prior to giving the Law on Sinai in no way provides a prima facie case for claiming that the Sabbath commandment existed pre-Exodus. Arguing from silence is a poor hermeneutic. I suggest its another way of defining speculation.

    But there is a more serious issue here for professed “sabbath keepers” and it is this. If you wish to maintain sabbath-keeping then you are in real trouble. Why? Those who place themselves under the Law are obliged to keep ALL the Law (600 plus laws) and, not least, the sacrificial laws INSEPARABLY CONNECTED WITH THE SABBATH and to do so PERFECTLY. Nobody has authority to separate the Sabbath from the law of blood sacrifices mandated by God for the seventh-day Sabbath observance. Did you ever consider this fact Derek?

  21. brianhyde says:

    Contd
    Yet sabbatarians presume to do just that! So are sabbatarians keeping the Sabbath according to the commandment? Of course not! By disregarding law as it appears in the Torah, they are actually desecrating the Sabbath every week and their so-called “sabbath keeping is a total farce. Ask any Jew about the Law and they will tell you that to keep the Bible strictly according to the Torah you need the Levitical priesthood, the High Priest, the Altar, The Temple etc. And it will NEVER HAPPEN because God took it all away in AD70. So, think about that Derek. Your so-called “sbbath-keeping” is not only a farce but it militates against the work of Christ as the Lamb of God. The Sabbath was never required of Gentiles. It was commanded only of Israel to whom it was the Old Covenant Sign.

    There is not a single commandment to keep the Sabbath in the NT and nowhere do the Apostles command Gentiles to observe it. (Cf decision of Jerusalem Council for the Gentiles – Acts 15) Nowhere does Paul detail exactly how the Gentiles are to observe it, which is rather remiss of him, don’t you think, if the Sabbath commandment is obligatory, considering he was the Apostle to the Gentiles?

  22. brianhyde says:

    Contd
    The Sabbath was a Covenant Sign, a weekly ceremony commemorating Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage by the Creator. This is reflected in the prelude to the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20. Christians are NOT delivered from Egyptian bondage! Christians are NOT under law to Moses; they are under law to Christ. Christ’s law as shown in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5) is of an infinitely higher standard and scope (even universal) than a mere ten holy laws which are actually prohibitions against enacted offences a fact incidently which is selectively overlooked by most teachers of the law.

    Derek, ALL the Law and the Prophets is fulfilled in Christ (He announced this on the Cross) and if you are in Him you are complete in Him (Col 2:10). We have a righteousness APART from the Law revealed through us (Rom 6:14). The law is written on our hearts (Jer 31) not on stone or in a book! (2 Cor 3) The result?- a change of attitude and behaviour which fulfills all the righteous demands of the Law. When a man is led by the Spirit of Christ he is a a son of God and all the fruits of the Spirit will be present not one will be missing.

  23. brianhyde says:

    Contd

    Righteousness is ministered to the Christian through Christ’s Spirit, not through tablets of stone or in a book!

  24. brianhyde says:

    Derek

    When I said your so called sabbath-keeping is a “farce” I meant only in the sense that unless it is strictly in accordance with Torah. I am in no way implying that your personal attempt at sabbath-keeping (whatever form that may be) is not a genuine attempt on your part to obey what you perceive to be God’s will. I was a sabbath-keeper for 33 years and sincerely tried to obey the 4th commandment according to all that I knew on the subject. Any sincerity in sabbath-keeping is not the issue here – I hope that is clear. In peace.

    • peter coch says:

      Brian

      I’m interested why you stopped being a ‘sabbath keeper’ after 33 years. I mean after such a long time it must have surely been a fairly natural thing to take a break from mammon addiction on saturdays? Did you break one ‘tradition’ to follow another more church friendly tradition?

      • brianhyde says:

        Peter Coch, I did try but I really don’t know where your comment is lying. I will just say this to your comment. The day I stepped out of the SDA church was the day I finally stepped out of toxic theology and the toxic religion and tradition that goes with it. It was a happy day Peter and I have been praising the Lord Jesus ever since.

        And, oh, btw, unless I have got you completely wrong and you, in your exemplary Christian love was merely teasing me, I can also say that judging from the pernicious tone of your comment, it was not a day too soon. May God bless you :)

  25. Derek says:

    Thanks for taking time to comment.

    GOD gave an instruction. “Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy”. The “Torah” instructions are simple: Cease from labor on the seventh day, having worked the other six. It’s a practical instruction for life. It is a MORAL issue because to NOT keep the fourth command is a sin, just like murder and stealing, etc. It’s serious, but not difficult to practice, at all. People find every excuse under the sun to ignore the glaring, simple, fourth command. It is a sign between God and the people that REALLY believe Him.

    When scripture is “rightly divided”, it is manifest that God’s practical instruction for how to live is a sign between Himself and true believers. Anything short of that will disqualify a person from the first resurrection, which is the warning Jesus gave to one of the seven “churches” … i.e., people who were proclaiming the gospel, but had left their “first love”. We know what Jesus meant by “first love” when he quoted from the Hebrew scriptures to love the LORD with all one’s heart, soul, and mind. This is the greatest command.

    The only way to love GOD is to do what He says, simply outlined in the first four commands. THAT is HOW to love GOD. To not comply with these is to NOT love God … which is why Jesus gave the warning and consequence of REMOVING a person’s candlestick out of its place … i.e., being disqualified for the first resurrection at his return.

    Those who claim to know GOD have a moral responsibility to not practice breaking His law, which is sin … which is WHY the writer of Hebrews emphasized obedience to God as vital to eternal life as a direct result of having repented from breaking His law and being forgiven.

    Mainstream Christianity is antinomian and twists Paul’s and other Greek testament writings thereby muddying the simple truth regarding what sin is and its consequences. One must qualify for God’s grace by repenting and asking forgiveness and STOPPING sinning. When a person STOPS sinning he STARTS obeying GOD. It’s that simple.

    Again, the literal seventh day Sabbath is found from Genesis to Revelation. There has been NO abrogation, annulling, “doing away with”, etc, the fourth command. GOD has not annulled the very instruction that IS (not was) a shadow of the millennial rest under the reign of Jesus Christ (the seventh thousand years in the history of mankind) and is likened to the permanent rest that is promised to those who qualify for it.

    Disclaimer: I am not part of any cult, among which I include Seventh Day Adventism, and the Hebrew Roots Movement (Messianic groups), or any Roman indoctrinated denomination (which includes all of them in some form).

    • brianhyde says:

      Why have you chosen to ignore all the points I made? We are not writing essays here although I must own up to writing some very long replies that are long enough to be conceived of as such. Surely we are debating points. If you ignore the issues I raised with in response to your own post, I will be forced to assume that you are unable to refute them.

  26. Derek says:

    Additional note: I meant to include the World Wide Church of God in my “cult” list.

  27. Derek says:

    Point 1. You stated, “Keeping something holy is all about rituals.” However, the Bible teaches that keeping the seventh day Sabbath is all about “ceasing from labor”.

    There is nothing “ritualistic” about following God’s instructions for working six days and not working one. To profane the Sabbath is to ignore the simple, practical instruction. My guess is that most church-going people who teach against God’s instruction for Sabbath-keeping manage to practice sun day keeping ritualistically, even using the same format week after week. These sun day services involve far more ritual than God’s simple edict to cease from labor on the seventh day of the week.

    Point 2. You stated, “And assuming it had been ordained (which it most certainly was not) any observance on Adam’s part would have been purely commemorative thus making the Sabbath a ceremonial day.”

    One has to really do some dangerous stretching to ignore or try to get around Exodus 20:8-10:

    “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor the stranger that is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”

    GOD hallowed the seventh day. We don’t hallow the day. He did. We are to obey Him by following His instruction for how He wants it kept.

    So, we can see in the plain language of Exodus 20-10 that God most certainly DID “ordain” (as you put it) Sabbath keeping. According to God, it’s not up for question or debate. The penalty for Sabbath breaking was death. It still is because it is a moral law, just like the other nine commands that flank it. “The wages of sin is death …”, Romans 6:23

  28. Derek says:

    Point 3. You stated, “You can read through the whole of the first book of the Bible and there is not a word about the Sabbath.”

    The Hebrew word “shabbat” literally means a “ceasing” or “stopping”. The meaning and intent of God is therefore clear in Genesis 2:2-3:

    “And on the seventh day God ended His work, which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because that in it he had rested from all His work which God created and made.”

    THIS is “word” about the “Sabbath” … very clearly.

    Also, we see Abraham keeping God’s laws in Genesis 26:

    “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” Genesis 26:5

    Evidently God’s commands and laws were made known to Abraham or he couldn’t have kept them. Since God does not change, we can rest assured that Abraham knew the very same laws that were announced on Sinai and made a record of by Moses.

    Because the Sabbath command is not specifically listed, are we to assume Abraham did not keep it? By this same argument, we could also include ALL of the commandments, yet the language is clear. Abraham kept God’s COMMANDMENTS and LAWS.
    Further evidence is that the Sabbath is referred to as a “law” in Exodus 16 PRIOR to Sinai:

    “And it came to pass that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread … And he (Moses) said to them, this is that which the LORD has said, ‘Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the LORD…’ And Moses said, … Six days you shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. And it came to pass that there went out some of the people on the seventh day toi gather, and they found none. And the LORD said unto Moses, ‘How long do you refuse to keep My COMMANDMENTS and My LAWS?” Exodus 16:22-28

    NOTE: No “Levitical priesthood or blood sacrifices” are necessary to keep God’s seventh day Sabbath.

    We can plainly see the Sabbath was a “commandment” and “law” PRIOR to Sinai. So, when we go back to Genesis 26 and read that Abraham kept God’s “commandments” and “laws”, we can sure that the Sabbath was one of them.

    The name of the Messiah is not mentioned in Genesis either. Are we to assume Abraham had no knowledge of the coming Messiah? Contrariwise, we know without doubt that Abraham knew of the Messiah by Jesus’ own words in John 8:58:

    “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it and was glad.”

    Scripture can only be “rightly divided” using hermeneutics, but most importantly God’s spirit to teach how to put it all together. The only pre-requisite to having God’s spirit is obedience to Him, Acts 5:32.

    Point 4. You stated, “The fact that God ordained the Sabbath to be kept by the children of Israel prior to giving the Law on Sinai in no way provides a prima facie case for claiming that the Sabbath commandment existed pre-Exodus. Arguing from silence is a poor hermeneutic.”

    First of all, God hallowed the seventh day following creation, which establishes the fact of the Sabbath (ceasing from labor) “pre-Exodus”.

  29. Derek says:

    Point 5. The New Testament teaches that to keep the law FOR righteousness is impossible because all have sinned (broken the law in one point or another). The New Testament also defines sin as breaking God’s law. It teaches that we are to repent from sin (breaking God’s law). To repent from breaking God’s law is to stop sinning and start keeping God’s law instead.

    Paul said, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Rather, we establish the law.”

    We establish the law because we are no longer breaking it, but keeping it. It is a misconception to think that being “under the law” means that a person is “keeping it”, when the opposite is true. To be “under the law” is to NOT have repented from breaking it and thereby have the death penalty (the second death via the lake of fire) looming as a consequence. The “law of sin and death” is self-defined and does not refer to God’s law that is perfect and good and is what converts a person, Psalm 19:17.

    Those “under grace” have repented from sin and are practicing a lifestyle of obeying God. Those “under the law” are still facing the death penalty for NOT keeping God’s ways. Repentance is vital to receiving God’s forgiveness and grace.

    You also stated that, “Nobody has authority to separate the Sabbath from the law of blood sacrifices mandated by God for the seventh-day Sabbath observance.”

    Where in God’s fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath is a “mandate for blood sacrifices”? Where is the mention of “mandated” sacrifices for Sabbath keeping in Exodus 16, where the seventh day Sabbath is called a commandment and a law? The answer is there is NO “mandate” by God for blood sacrifices as part of Sabbath keeping.

    Point 6. You stated, “Ask any Jew about the Law and they will tell you that to keep the Bible strictly according to the Torah you need the Levitical priesthood, the High Priest, the Altar, The Temple etc.”

    A rabbinical Jew will also tell you that Jesus Christ is burning is excrement this very moment (according to their Talmud). So, let’s just stick with scripture. The fourth command is about “ceasing from labor” on the seventh day. It’s simple. God said to work six days and NOT work on the seventh day. That’s the command He said to REMEMBER.

    Sabbath keeping is a command of God for everyone. Those who know Him, keep it. Those who do not know Him, do not keep it, I John 2:3-4. The Sabbath command is not for a genetic race of people from an ancient time. It is an instruction of God for all, but only those who know Him keep it, because only those who know Him actually believe Him enough to obey Him, a.k.a. living faith.

    John stated that the commandments they followed were “old” and from the “beginning”, I John 2:7. The apostles lived by the Hebrew scriptures. The Greek scriptures had not seen their completion yet. We see Paul keeping the Sabbath throughout the book of Acts.

    Two chapters in Hebrews are devoted to teaching the importance of keeping the Sabbath. Hebrews 3 tells of the disobedience of those who died in the wilderness for profaning God’s laws, with an emphasis on their having profaned the Sabbath, Ezekiel 20. Hebrews 4 begins with a warning to not do what they did and then reminds the reader of the seventh day Sabbath with the clear reminder in Hebrews 4:9 that a “sabbatismos” (Sabbath keeping) REMAINS for the people of God (believers).

    The popular mantra “Jesus is our Sabbath rest” makes no sense, especially in light of the fact that the Sabbath is a physical day of the week and we are to physically not work on that day. The fourth command is a practical way to live and aligns a person with the Creator. To NOT keep it is to NOT be in alliance with God and I wouldn’t recommend that place to anyone.

  30. Derek says:

    Point 7. You stated, “The Sabbath was a Covenant Sign, a weekly ceremony commemorating Israel’s deliverance from Egyptian bondage by the Creator.”

    The Sabbath is no such thing. Brian, where are you getting these wild ideas?

    The Sabbath is NOT a “ceremony” and it was NOT established to commemorate Israel’s deliverance from Egypt!

    Let’s let scripture tells us what the seventh day is, when it was hallowed, and why:

    “And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made.” Genesis 2:2-3

    “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work … for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Wherefore, the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-10

    Exodus refers to the day that God hallowed at creation as the Sabbath. Therefore, we can KNOW that the Sabbath was a law at this point in history of man, a law that Abraham kept.

    Point 8. You stated, “ALL the Law and the Prophets is fulfilled in Christ (He announced this on the Cross) and if you are in Him you are complete in Him (Col 2:10).”

    No, all of the law and prophets are NOT fulfilled. Four of the holy days foreshadow events that are YET to come. But let’s hear it from Jesus Christ himself:

    “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, until all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17-18

    Have heaven and earth passed away yet? (Maybe I didn’t get the memo.)

    Jesus continues:

    “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall DO and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:19

  31. Derek says:

    Point 9. Justification by faith comes through Jesus Christ. However, no one can be forgiven of sin unless he repents and begins obeying God. The tablets of stone cannot save. They lead a person to salvation because it is the law that points out what it is we need to repent of. Jesus Christ cannot obey God for us. Every person is individually, morally responsible to God for his own actions. What Jesus Christ has done is made a way to have our sins propitiated so that we can be cleansed and forgiven of sin and thereby stand justified before a holy God. What Jesus Christ has not done is repent or obey for us.

    Brian, I understand that you are not attacking my sincerity here, nor am I attacking yours. Peace.

  32. brianhyde says:

    for you are breaking the sabbath every week and are therefore under the condemnation of the law. Indeed in ancient Israel you would be stoned to death!

    Sabbatarians need to heed the following:

    The sabbath, as was circumcision and other commands, were first given as part of the body of the law from the Old Covenant. On “EVERY Sabbath” there was to be a burnt offering.
    If you choose to observe or/and go back under an OT law:
    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish oughtfrom it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 4:2

    ( the same “add not” and “diminish ought” applies to the NEW Covenant which the church has polluted by adding in dozens of unscriptural traditions and doctrines. *see Revelation 22:18-19)

    God said in the law “DO ALL” many, many times, and this was repeated by Paul and James, and as Paul wrote in Gal. 4:21 “Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?”

    Leviticus 19:37 And ye shall observe allmy statutes, and allmine ordinances, and do them
    Deut 31:12 … and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this law

    Galatians 5:3 Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision*, that he is a debtor to do thewholelaw. 4) Ye are severed from Christ, ye (who) would be *justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace. *to render just or innocent:
    James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    In the same way the Sabbath. Btw, circumcision and the sabbath were the two signs of the Old Covenant. The sign of the New Covenant is the Lord’s Supper.

  33. brianhyde says:

    Derek
    My answer to your objections:

    Point 1. “There is nothing “ritualistic” about following God’s instructions” O
    On the contrary to observe the sabbath according to the Law involved much ritualism not mentioned in the wording of the fourth commandment. It is listed in Book of the Law (which you have selectively chosen to ignore and comprises Leviticus and Numbers). God specified very clearly the things the ancient Hebrews were required to observe in addition to the sabbath sacrifices listed in Leviticus and Numbers. I suggest you study the Law and become familiar with what it demanded before making such a astounding claim.

    Point 2. “One has to really do some dangerous stretching to ignore or try to get around Exodus 20:8-10 …. We are to obey Him by following His instruction for how He wants it kept.”

    Exactly, and thereby you condemn yourself because you believe that you are still under the Law of Moses. But that dangerous stretching includes getting around the Book of the Law with its specific sabbath laws that you are flouting. You had better start keeping it perfectly soon for you are breaking the sabbath every week (CONTD ABOVE)

  34. brianhyde says:

    Point 3. “The meaning and intent of God is therefore clear in Genesis 2:2-3” It may be clear to you but it is not to me. I am not persuaded by your generalisations and lack of scripture. You have failed to address my remarks in on Genesis and are simply reading into the verses what you want.

    “Also, we see Abraham keeping God’s laws in Genesis 26:5” 5.

    The burden is upon you to show me from Genesis where these covenant laws that God made with Abraham include the Sabbath. Chapter and verse please.
    “Because the Sabbath command is not specifically listed, are we to assume Abraham did not keep it?” We are not to assume anything. You continue to argue from silence. This is not an acceptable way to exegete scripture.

    “By this same argument, we could also include ALL of the commandments, yet the language is clear. Abraham kept God’s COMMANDMENTS and LAWS.”

    Show me chapter and verse what these are.

  35. brianhyde says:

    Point 3 contd

    “Further evidence is that the Sabbath is referred to as a “law” in Exodus 16 PRIOR to Sinai”. God was already teaching the Israelites what His will was prior to the formal declaration of the Law at Sinai but as I said before this does not prove that He taught the patriachs the same. But I have already addressed this in my last post.

    ““NOTE: No “Levitical priesthood or blood sacrifices” are necessary to keep God’s seventh day Sabbath.” I am incredulous that you make this statement. Any Bible student worth his salt knows otherwise. ALL things were required to be sanctified by blood and the blood at that time was from the ordained sacrifices. That’s why there were special sacrifices on the sabbath; double burnt offerings (Numbers 28:9-10).9: “‘However, on the sabbath day there will be two sound year-old male lambs and two tenth measures of fine flour as a grain offering moistened with oil, together with its drink offering, 10 as a sabbath burnt offering on its sabbath, along with the constant burnt offering and its drink offering.
    The sacrifice was the same for both the morning and evening sacrifice. What would happen is that a lamb would be sacrificed and that bread and wine would also be offered up. Numbers 28 tells us that this sacrifice is to be a continual offering, meaning forever.
    During both of these sacrifices certain prayers were required to be said.

    On “every sabbath yet another “everlasting covenant” Levitical Sabbath command was to:

    5 …take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenth parts of an ephah shall be in one cake.
    And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the Lord.
    And thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be to the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
    Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD continually; it is on the behalf of the children of Israel, an everlasting covenant.
    And it shall be for Aaron and his sons; and they shall eat it in a holy place: for it is most holy unto him of the offerings of the Lord made by fire by a perpetual statute. -Lev.24.

    Now try telling me that this is not ritual? And this is not half the story of what was required or prohibited on the Sabbath day!

  36. brianhyde says:

    Point 3 contd
    “We can plainly see the Sabbath was a “commandment” and “law” PRIOR to Sinai. So, when we go back to Genesis 26 and read that Abraham kept God’s “commandments” and “laws”, we can sure that the Sabbath was one of them.”

    Derek, your method of interpreting Bible is unacceptable because it is based on pure assumption. You make one assumption and then draw further assumptions from your first assumption! You are arguing in a vacuum. Additionally you interpret Genesis by reading into it what you read in Exodus!!

    The “name of the Messiah is not mentioned in Genesis either. Are we to assume Abraham had no knowledge of the coming Messiah?”

    No, we do not have to “assume” anything because as you rightly stated, Jesus evidenced Abaham knew. But you have provided no evidence that Abraham kept the sabbath. On the contrary (a point you also chose to ignore from my previous posts) scripture tells us that the covenant that was made with the Hebrews was NOT the same as that made with the patriarchsrs.

    “most importantly God’s [we need] spirit to teach how to put it [scripture] all together. The only pre-requisite to having God’s spirit is obedience to Him, Acts 5:32.”

    Really? Do you understand that without the Holy Spirit, who is the source of our spiritual life, we are not even spiritually alive?Obedience (works) are the fruit of salvation (new birth) commonly referred to as the “fruits of the Spirit”. Christ tells us that we cannot do anything without Him (Jn 15). You betray a legalistic theology which is not surprising since your focus is law and not the Spirit who is the source of our obedience.

    By the way the Spirit does not circumvent His own Word or contradict what He has revealed in the Word.

  37. brianhyde says:

    Point 4. “First of all, God hallowed the seventh day following creation, which establishes the fact of the Sabbath (ceasing from labor) “pre-Exodus”.”

    It establishes no such thing if by “ceasing from labour” you want to relate this to man’s duty. You are grasping at straws.

    Point 5. “The New Testament teaches that to keep the law FOR righteousness is impossible because all have sinned (broken the law in one point or another).”

    We are not required to keep the Law of Moses period because we are not under law but under Grace. The righteousness that the Law demands is imputed to us by Christ and imparted by His Spirit and received by grace through faith. It is a righteousness APART FROM LAW and yet witnessed by the Law.

  38. brianhyde says:

    Point 5 contd “The New Testament also defines sin as breaking God’s law.”

    The correct definition of sin is “missing the mark” and this RESULTS in also transgressing God’s law. We all fall short of the glory of God.

    “To repent from breaking God’s law is to stop sinning and start keeping God’s law instead” Yes and no. The righteousness of Christ does not conflict with the righteous demands of the law but fulfills the requirements of the law. We receive His righteousness not by trying in our own strength to obey as you teach but by faith. It is GOD who works in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. Again you show you

    “Paul said, “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid! Rather, we establish the law.”
    We establish the law because we are no longer breaking it, but keeping it.”

    Exactly, but your understanding how we keep the law is what is flawed. See above.

    “It is a misconception to think that being “under the law” means that a person is “keeping it”, when the opposite is true. To be “under the law” is to NOT have repented from breaking it and thereby have the death penalty (the second death via the lake of fire) looming as a consequence.”

    ???? Where do you get your ideas from? Derek, being “under the law” is being under obligation to obey the law in all its requirements. Christ was under the law, being a Jew. So if we apply your definition He is made a sinner and destined for hell! You are the one who is destined for hell because you are breaking the sabbath and all its requiements every week! Brother, you need to repent of your failed law-keeping. You could of course accept the simple Gospel and accept Jesus’ law-keeping in your stead.

  39. brianhyde says:

    Point 5 contd. “You also stated that, “Nobody has authority to separate the Sabbath from the law of blood sacrifices mandated by God for the seventh-day Sabbath observance.” Where in God’s fourth commandment to keep the Sabbath is a “mandate for blood sacrifices”? Where is the mention of “mandated” sacrifices for Sabbath keeping in Exodus 16, where the seventh day Sabbath is called a commandment and a law? The answer is there is NO “mandate” by God for blood sacrifices as part of Sabbath keeping.”

    I disagree. I told you in my last post that the ten commandments are purely a summary if you like of ALL the covenant law. The full specification of exactly how the Sabbath was to be kept is mandated in the Book of the Law. Like Adventists you deliberately cast off the Book of the Law in which incidently is recorded the ten commandments (twice) and which was given BEFORE the ten comandments on stone.

    Point 6. You stated, “Ask any Jew about the Law and they will tell you that to keep the Bible strictly according to the Torah you need the Levitical priesthood, the High Priest, the Altar, The Temple etc.”
    A rabbinical Jew will also tell you that Jesus Christ is burning is excrement this very moment (according to their Talmud). So, let’s just stick with scripture.”

    Be that as it may, they are sticklers for law and know full well how to keep the Torah, and even though you want to uphold the Law of Moses the evidence is that you have much to learn about the Law. I refered you to the Jews because you simply will NOT stick with scripture.

    “The fourth command is about “ceasing from labor” on the seventh day. It’s simple. God said to work six days and NOT work on the seventh day. That’s the command He said to REMEMBER. Sabbath keeping is a command of God for everyone.”

    Wrong. The Bible tells us that the Sabbath was given to the Jews. When a stranger came into the camp they were expected to keep the sabbath.

    “Those who know Him, keep it. Those who do not know Him, do not keep it, I John 2:3-4.”

    That’s pure opinion. You are reading “the ten commandments” into 1 John 2:3-4 which is what Adventists typically do because they cannot conceive of any other “law” outside of the Decalogue.

    • Theodore A. Jones says:

      The major soteriological error that current Bible scholars have is stopping short of the Lord’s ascension in their attempts to explain the way of salvation. The law was not fulfilled until after that event. Fact one is that the priesthood was changed and fact two is that the law was changed to fulfill it by adding a word to it.
      “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Rom. 2:13 Paul is not referencing the OT written code in this statement.

  40. brianhyde says:

    Point 6 contd “John stated that the commandments they followed were “old” and from the “beginning”, I John 2:7. The apostles lived by the Hebrew scriptures. The Greek scriptures had not seen their completion yet.”

    Yes, Derek, it is true that the early church did not have the New Testament in writing nevertheless they were being taught b by the Discples neverthless and Paul clearly taught that the Old Covenant and its laws were abrogated. So you need to take another look at what John meant by old and new.

    “We see Paul keeping the Sabbath throughout the book of Acts.”

    Of course, because he was a Jew and the Sabbath was enshrined in state law. That does not mean he acceepted in principle as binding on Christians. Acts 15 tells us otherwise. See my previous post where I dealt with this objection more fully.

    “Two chapters in Hebrews are devoted to teaching the importance of keeping the Sabbath.”

  41. brianhyde says:

    Point 6 contd You refer to Hebrews 3 and 4. I will say this: Until you accept the gospel of grace you are still in your sins and therefore have not entered into Christ’s rest. For anyone who has not given up on their law-keeping there remains a rest, the rest that is ours in Christ. That rest makes every sense since it is Christ’s works NOT ours that we rest in. It is disobedience to Christ and marked unbelief that refuses to accept God’s rest and draw people back under the Law and the OC sign, the sabbath.

    Point 7 Your objection vis-a-vis the sabbath not being a ceremony is dealt with above. The ten commandments are made up of what Adventists call “moral”and “ceremonial law”. This is to be expected considering that they represent ALL the Law.

    The language of the ten commandmengs makes it clear that it is specifically addressed to a certain race of people in a certain geographical location. This is evident nar not only from the prologue but from some of the specific commandments themselves.

    Consider, in Eden there was:
    no “work” “sons” “daughters” “manservants” “maidservants”, “strangers” and no “gates” (at least not belonging to Adam and Eve). (4th Commandment) Universal law? I don’t think so!

    Consider that the Lord is not giving the land of Canaan to Christians (5th Commandment) Universal law? I don’t think so!

    Consider again that Christians have not been delivered out of Egypt nor have they been in bondage in Egypt. Universal law? I don’t think so!

  42. brianhyde says:

    Point 8. I belive Christ fulfilled all the Law and the Prophets for salvation otherwise we are still under the Law and the Prophets and must continue offering sacrifices. And He is continuing to fulfill it through His Body the Church. He has fulfilled the Law and the Prophets as the Servant. He stands in the place of Israel and whereas Israel came short He did not.

    Matthew 5:17-19 quoted.

    Of course. Jesus taught obedience to the Law. He was, after all, teaching the Jews who were still under the Law. Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles; He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. His gospel was to the Circumcision and so was the gospel of the rest of the Disciples with the exception of Paul whose gospel was to the Gentiles. That’s another reason why you will not see Paul commanding the Sabbath.

    Derek, I am not prepared to continue this debate with you. Its up to you to agree or disagree as you choose. God bless you.

    Christ always spoke in parables in public. “Heaven and earth” applies to the era of the nation of Israel whose world came to an end in AD70. Christ said “until” twice in this passage. And the “until” happened the “heaven and the earth passed away”! But what did He mean? Christ was using symbolism here which was quite a common thing for prophets to do in His day; and He was also a prophet remember. The Bible is full of “heavens” and the “earth” inferences. The context of these shows that it is a reference to leaders and the people. Joseph, for example, spoke of his parents as the “sun and the moon” and his brothers as the “stars”. Peter talked of the heavens and the earth of old which passed away when referring to the Great Flood. This is common in prophetic language throughout the Old Testament and even in the New Testament. I will send you the memo seeing as it is 1942 years too late in your case :)

  43. Derek says:

    Point 1. You stated, “… circumcision and the sabbath were the two signs of the Old Covenant. The sign of the New Covenant is the Lord’s Supper.”

    Circumcision, like water baptism, were signs that identified God’s people. However, Acts 15 takes great pains to teach that physical circumcision is not a requirement for salvation, and in John 1 we learn that John baptized with water, but Jesus came to baptize with God’s spirit. So, these physical signs, circumcision and water baptism, are not requirements for salvation. Romans 2:28-29 defines a true Jew as one who is circumcised of the heart, not flesh.

    The seventh day Sabbath is a sign between God and His people (believers), and also a point blank command … something we are to remember to do. Neither baptism nor circumcision are listed in the ten commands, but the seventh day Sabbath keeping IS.

    What laws are obsolete now? The temporal laws that required temporal high priests and temporal sacrifices. These are obsolete because we have a permanent high priest and a permanent sacrifice. The physical temple is not necessary anymore and neither are human high priests or sacrifices of bulls and goats. (Hebrews and Ephesiains) What Jesus Christ did was remove the ENMITY between Jew and Gentile, meaning that he made the Levitical ordinances obsolete. Gentiles were not allowed into the inner court of the physical temple. Jesus Christ did away with the distinguishing of Jew and Gentile, making the two one.

    The Bible does not teach that God’s laws for how to live have been “done away” as many antinomians wish to proclaim. The Bible teaches that the temporal sacrificial system under human priests was made obsolete by the once for all sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Now we have a PERMANENT priest, a PERMANENT sacrifice, and PERMANENT promises … which is the only difference between the covenant of old that is “ready to vanish” as Hebrews 8 teaches.

    If God’s laws are “done away” then there is nothing left to define sin. Murder is okay now … adultery is fine … stealing, not a problem. But we know that these are called sin because I John 3:4 gives us the definition of sin; breaking God’s law … which is WHY the fourth commandment is vital to salvation … because the practice of breaking it is sin … and the wages of sin is death (permanent death via the lake of fire).

    The consequence of Sabbath breaking has not changed. Death was the penalty. It still is. The punishment in ancient Israel was physical death. The only difference now is that the punishment for not repenting from sin is permanent death in the lake of fire, which is also called the second death because it is final.

  44. Derek says:

    Point 2. You stated, “On the contrary to observe the sabbath according to the Law involved much ritualism not mentioned in the wording of the fourth commandment.”

    Where is this “ritualism” in Exodus 16, where God commanded His “law”, the seventh day Sabbath keeping, to be kept? The people were simply to NOT gather food (work) on the seventh day. There is no other ritual involved in “ceasing from labor”. The fourth command is practical and simple. Those who keep it align themselves with the Creator because it is the Creator that hallowed this day. NOWHERE in all of scripture has this day been UNhallowed.

    When scripture is harmonized, we can see that the temporal practices of Israel are obsolete. Therefore, no animal sacrifice is necessary for any of God’s required Sabbaths, to include His holy days, which believers also keep in contrast to the worlds holidays that most practice in keeping with Babylonian mystery cult sun worship.

    Point 3. You quoted me, “One has to really do some dangerous stretching to ignore or try to get around Exodus 20:8-10 …. We are to obey Him by following His instruction for how He wants it kept.”

    That’s right. Exodus 20:8-10 is blatant instruction by God. To practice NOT WORKING on the seventh day is simple to follow. To NOT practice this tantamount to idolatry … because it means that a person does not acknowledge the Creator. Simple.

    Point 4. You stated, “It may be clear to you but it is not to me. I am not persuaded by your generalisations and lack of scripture. You have failed to address my remarks in on Genesis and are simply reading into the verses what you want.”

    I DID address your comments regarding the Sabbath in Genesis. Listen carefully: The fourth commandment that appears in Exodus 20:8-10 hearkens BACK TO CREATION and calls this day the SABBATH. So, we can KNOW it was the SABBATH that God instituted AT CREATION.

    One more time: Exodus calls the day that God hallowed AT CREATION THE SABBATH. Therefore, the SABBATH was instituted AT CREATION.

    Sabbath keeping was a “law” before Sinai, as I aptly pointed out. Anyone can read Exodus 16 and see plainly that God made a BIG DEAL about keeping His seventh day Sabbath and called it a “LAW” and “COMMANDMENT”.

    These are PLAIN FACTS that are not up for question because they are THAT PLAIN.

  45. Derek says:

    Point 5. You stated, “The burden is upon you to show me from Genesis where these covenant laws that God made with Abraham include the Sabbath. Chapter and verse please.”

    I just did. Again, Exodus calls the seventh day that God hallowed at creation the SABBATH. So, the SABBATH was instituted AT CREATION as a “law”. We know this because God called it a LAW and COMMANDMENT *PRIOR* to Sinai. With these two FACTS in mind, we then look at Genesis 26:5:

    “…Abraham .. kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

    Keeping in mind that the Sabbath was instituted AT CREATION and something GOD made a big deal about BEFORE Sinai, one can then KNOW the Sabbath was one of the COMMANDMENTS and LAWS that Abraham obeyed.

    Verse and chapter? Exodus 20:8-10, Genesis 2:2-3, and Genesis 26:5

    Point 6. Since the temporal priesthood and ordinances in conjunction with are obsolete, we can know that keeping the Sabbath now does NOT necessitate these temporal rituals. There is no more earthly physical temple, no more earthly human priests, and no more types of temporal sacrifices. Jesus Christ is the permanent High Priest, and is the permanent sacrifice. This is NO WAY disannuls the fourth command, just like it in no way disannuls the other commands.

    Point 7. You stated, “Additionally you interpret Genesis by reading into it what you read in Exodus!!

    Right. That is how scripture is “rightly divided” … by using principles of hermeneutics. Exodus calls the seventh day that was hallowed at creation the SABBATH. “Shabbat” simply means “ceasing”. So, there was a CEASING from labor AT CREATION, and God hallowed this seventh day. It is the SABBATH from the week of Creation. THAT is when the SABBATH came to be a law of God that He taught His people PRIOR TO SINAI.

    Point 8. You stated, “Christ tells us that we cannot do anything without Him (Jn 15). You betray a legalistic theology which is not surprising since your focus is law and not the Spirit who is the source of our obedience.”

    Is God “legalistic”? He has moral laws that if we practice breaking, we receive bad consequences. Those who practice murder, for instance, will NOT see the kingdom. Those who practice stealing, will NOT see the kingdom. Why? Because these have not repented from their sin, but are practicing ignoring God’s laws.

    The Bible teaches that sin is breaking God’s law, I John 3:4. So, we have sin defined for us by God through His word. To repent from sin is to STOP breaking His law and START keeping it. Is that legalism? No, it’s called OBEDIENCE.

    Faith without works isn’t faith at all. Living faith is proven by obedience to God. If a person REALLY believes God, he obeys Him. No one is given God’s spirit who does NOT obey Him. Acts 5:32.

    Legalism would be keeping the law FOR our own righteousness, which is impossible because we’ve all broken the law in one point or another. What Jesus Christ did is allow God to forgive us these sins and not hold them to our account. But if we practice breaking His law He DOES hold them to our account.

    Jesus Christ cannot repent for us or obey for us. WE are responsible to God to do this for ourselves. However, it is ear-tickling and popular to believe that Jesus Christ obeyed for us and that we are absolved of any further moral responsibility to God, when that idea could not be further from truth and teaching of scripture.

  46. Derek says:

    Point 9. You stated, “We are not required to keep the Law of Moses period because we are not under law but under Grace. The righteousness that the Law demands is imputed to us by Christ and imparted by His Spirit and received by grace through faith.

    Then why does Paul say, “For not hearers of the law are just before God, but the DOERS of the law shall be justified.” ?

    The answer is found when harmonizing his writings. Paul taught that keeping the law FOR one’s own righteousness is impossible, “for all have sinned”. He also taught that “the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is NOT SUBJECT to the law of God, neither can it be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But YOU (believers) are NOT in the flesh, but in the spirit…” Romans 8:6-9

    Also, “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer in it. … Let not sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts therof. … For sin shall not have dominion over you: For you are not under the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid!”

    Being “under the law” is not NOT have repented from sin, but be facing the death penalty (permanent death in the lake of fire, aka, the second death). To be “under grace” is to have repented from breaking God’s law and to be forgiven. Paul makes a HUGE point that because we have been forgiven and are NOT facing the death penalty, should we continue breaking God’s law? His answer over and over is emphatically NO, meaning that we should be KEEPING THE LAW instead of BREAKING IT.

    Paul stated clearly: “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good … For we know that the law is SPIRITUAL, but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Romans 7:13-14

    Paul in NO WAY disannuls God’s law for how to live. Paul himself practiced keeping the Sabbath, as was his custom, Acts 17.

    Point 10. “Where do you get your ideas from? Derek, being “under the law” is being under obligation to obey the law in all its requirements.”

    Right. To be under the law is to be directly accountable to it. It is the standard by which all of mankind will be judged. Those who have repented from breaking it are forgiven (under grace). Those who have not repented are not forgiven and this law will condemn them permanently. So, to be “under the law” is to be facing the death penalty. To be under grace is to NOT be under the second death penalty, but because of repentance and forgiveness, be under God’s grace instead.

    Those who think they are “under grace” while continuing to practice breaking the fourth command are given stark warnings by Jesus Christ in Revelation 2 to repent of “leaving your first love” or else have your candlestick REMOVED. The way to love God (first love) is to abide by His instructions for HOW to love Him, aka first four commandments.

    Point 11. Just for the record, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, which I view as a cult. Quite unlike the Seventh Day Adventists I seek to follow ALL of God’s instructions for how to live, to include keeping HIS holidays (as opposed to the worlds’) and abide by HIS food perimeters, and HIS cleanliness instructions, etc.

    Point 12. You stated, “You are reading ‘the ten commandments’ into 1 John 2:3-4 which is what Adventists typically do because they cannot conceive of any other ‘law’ outside of the Decalogue.”
    (Again, I am NOT an Adventist) Really? John himself a fews verses away specifies to which law he is referring. In context:

    “And hereby we do know that we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He that says, ‘I know Him, but does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him…Brethren, I write NO NEW commandment to you, but an OLD COMMANDMENT which you had from the BEGINNING. The OLD COMMANDMENT is the word which you have heard from the beginning.” I John 2:2-7

    There was no “New Testament” for these early believers. They studied from the Hebrew scriptures on what was expected of them.

    Jesus Christ spoke IN THE FUTURE of a time where he prayed that the flight of believers would not be in the winter or on a Sabbath day.

    The Sabbath WILL BE KEPT by the whole world in the future kingdom under the rule of Jesus Christ because the government will be God’s laws, which are universal to mankind. Those who know Him, already obey them. Those who do not know Him, ignore them or even teach against them. Zechariah 14.

    Where did Paul teach that God’s laws have been “abrogated”?

    Where in ALL of scripture is the teaching that God’s seventh day Sabbath has been VOIDED OUT?

    Answer: There is NO PLACE in all of scripture that teaches that the seventh day Sabbath has been made void, abrogated, annulled, disappeared. Paul did not teach that God’s laws that define sin have been VOIDED OUT.

  47. Derek says:

    Point 13. You stated, “It is disobedience to Christ and marked unbelief that refuses to accept God’s rest and draw people back under the Law and the OC sign, the sabbath.”

    No one can have “God’s rest” (a reference to the future promise of eternal life) unless he KEEPS GOD’S LAWS (also called OBEDIENCE) that springs forth from living faith. It is actually “marked unbelief”, as you put it, to IGNORE God’s instructions for how to live. To do so is call UNBELIEF, the very thing the people died in the wilderness because of their refusal to obey God.

    No one receives eternal life who does not meet God’s qualifications for repentance and belief on His Son. His qualifications are simple, Revelation 14:12, yet most choose the broad path anyway. The way is narrow because few choose to REALLY believe God enough to follow His instructions.

    Point 14. News Flash! Heaven and earth HAVE NOT PASSED AWAY. As I said, FOUR of the holy days foreshadow prophetic events that HAVE NOT YET HAPPENED. So, the law has not” disappeared” or been “done away with” or “no longer applies”.

    The Feast of Trumpets foreshadows the return of Christ; the Day of Atonement foreshadows the first resurrection; the Feast of Tabernacles foreshadows the 1,000 year reign of Christ; the Great Last Day foreshadows the time after the ‘rest of the dead” are raised to life and the second great harvest. ALL of these are YET TO COME. Therefore, the law has not been “done away” and “heaven and earth” have not passed away, a saying of Jesus that let’s us know the extent to which the law will stand.

    Point 15. Conclusion: The Sabbath was from Creation, God having hallowed the seventh day at that time. The Sabbath was called a LAW BEFORE Sinai, was kept BEFORE Sinai, was written by the finger of God, was placed INSIDE the ark, was kept throughout Israel’s history, was kept by Jesus Christ, was kept by Paul, was taught expressly in Hebrews 3 and 4, was spoken of by Jesus as a future event, and WILL BE KEPT in the FUTURE kingdom on earth.

    God’s command: “Remember to keep the Sabbath day holy…” Exodus 20:8-10

    God is not kidding regarding His instructions. Mainstream religion makes up their own laws and rejects God’s at their own peril.

    To persuade people to simply obey God is sometimes futile. It appears this is the case here. I hope anyone reading these comments will consider God’s simple instructions and ask themselves why they religiously keep sun god day instead.

  48. brianhyde says:

    When discussing the difference between the Old and New Covenants it is essential to remember that going back to the Law to prove a thing is not always a good thing to do. I came acorss the following recently and I subscribe to every word:

    “Paul said that if we wish to apply the law of Moses as pertaining to our righteousness before God, then we must apply all the Law and not just selected portions. The reason is because the Law of Moses contained a curse on the person who did not apply all the law.

    This does not mean that the law of Moses has no moral codes to consider. Paul said that the Law could be used as a teaching instrument as long as we used it ‘lawfully,’ which means that we cannot use the law as an instrument of righteousness. We are not under the law of Moses, but under the law of Christ.” (Pastor Buddy Martin)

  49. Metanoia says:

    It is interesting to read how certain individuals interpret everything (even antideluvian and early Christian history through what has been called “the lens” of the Mosaic Law, and then impose their narrow views on others in an attempt to bind them to a law which St Paul took great pains to point out was given only to the nation Israel. But strangely, many Christians, who notwithstanding they do recognise that the Law was uniquely Jewish and temporary in nature, also fail to understand that the Law of Moses was instituted as an indivisible unit and that the “ten commandments” (due, not least, to their representative nature as “the covenant”) cannot be upheld in isolation from the Mosaic Code. The result is that these commandments have been been adopted by Christian individuals, groups, communities and nations for perhaps centuries. Etched in the nation’s mindset they have come to be regarded as epitomising the highest standard of moral living. And no doubt they have served to keep in check the passions of the unrighteous. But this prominence has also come at a price. It has led some into the mistaken notion that the seventh day (Saturday) is a holy day for Christians. So one mistake has led to another. Now, when it is pointed out to the latter lot that their basis for upholding the Sabbath is erroneous their “ten commandment” mindset naturally recoils in horror and they feel justifed in resorting to vehement denounciations of their opponents as “lawless”!

    But what these and other supporters of the Decalogue fail to see, is that the Decalogue (as has been stated above) is only ten laws out of a far greater number of “moral” laws that along with “ceremonial” and “civil” laws constituted the entire Mosaic Code. There were quite literally dozens of laws of no less value and importance for obedient living. Yet these other statutes never seem to see the light of day and hardly receive a mention in the pulpit, eclipsed as they are by the inordinate reverence paid to the Ten! So it seems to me, that attempts on this forum to set the record straight and return the “ten commandments” back to their Old Covenant context is a worthy cause indeed.

    Meanwhile, we should turn our attention to the New Testament where, interestingly enough, we find nine of the ten commandments cast into a new higher and broader spiritual context and set among gems of equal worth and importance.

    • Derek says:

      Metonoia,

      The “Ten Words” are not isolated from the rest of God’s instructions for how to live by any means. All of God’s instructions for how to live pertain to anyone who wishes to identify himself with the God of all things, who gave us HIS rules to live by.

      The Ten Commandments are merely a summary for how to love God and others. Loving God means obeying Him. The first four commandments teach HOW to love God. Therefore, the contention here is that Sabbath-breaking is tantamount to idolatry because ignoring God’s instruction for keeping the day HE hallowed at creation holy is a moral violation just like murder and stealing are.

      It is said that keeping God’s instructions for how to live is “Jewish”. That is true IF one allows the Bible to define a true Jew per Romans 2:28-29; that is, a person who is circumcised of the heart, not flesh, i.e., true believers in Christ.

      God’s instructions include his cleanliness rules, food guidelines, marriage guidelines, and HIS holidays (holy days) which most generic Christians forfeit in lieu of Babylon’s holidays.

      The New Testament makes clear that the commandments given in ordinances pertaining to the temporal sacrificial system are what have been made obsolete by the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ … which is why no temple is necessary, nor human high priest, nor the blood of bulls and goats, which cannot take away sin.

      God laws for how to live have certainly not been “done away” or else murder would be okay now, adultery would be no problem, and stealing, would not be wrong. However, God has included these things in His moral law, just like He has included what day to keep holy and cease from labor. There is no where in the whole Bible that the fourth command stands apart from the rest … which is why the
      Sabbath WILL BE KEPT in the future government under the rule of Jesus Christ himself, Zechariah 14.

      One must consider the consequences of ignoring God’s law. Romans 6:23

    • gilan says:

      where is your logic lol they kept the sabbath in the new testament ..even jesus himself aid i am lord even on the sabbath to the pharisees..n he even broke down what the sabbath was for to them so therefore he magnified all the 10 COMMANDMENTS in the New Testament and explained them deeper and then when he dies he BECAME THE LAW meaning only through him can you live righteously and be cleansed of sin..thanks :)

  50. BenJhvh says:

    Somebody used the word ‘package’ in reference to the old covenant and its laws. This word gives the sense of something that is complete and cannot be broken up; thus it is all or nothing. And it was, as brianhyde indicated, given exclusively to the Hebrew nation and all their descendents.

    This is exactly the testimony of God.

    Yet, despite God’s plain testimony and repeated statements that it was a covenant between God and the children of Israel only, there are those who will argue it is wasn’t and that it was a package for all people and it was inherited by Christians. But to be a universal package there must needs be explicit statements to that effect not only in the Old Testament but in the New Testament.

    There are none.

    They simply are not there. Yet, there are those who will go to great lengths to try to make the scripture say otherwise and where it does not say anything they will assume that this means the old covenant is still binding on believers today. Conversely, where it plainly states that it is not binding on believers today they will argue that such statements do not mean what they say or that the author was teaching another gospel!

    Personally, I have found that by taking the scripture at face value it teaches that believers are no longer bound under a covenant of law (which demands willing and loving obedience to an external written code) but a covenant of grace (in which it is the Spirit of Christ that takes responsibility to produces a willing and loving obedience in us).

    Ironically, it is grace that brings about true obedience to law! After all, if Jeremiah 31 is indeed a prophecy of the new covenant, which I believe it is, then we see that the new covenant is still about law for God’s people. He promises that He will write His law in the mind and on the heart! But it is right here that confusion so often muddies the waters, not least because of a misunderstanding of which ‘law’ God is referring to in Jeremiah 31.

    So what law is He talking about? There are those who argue it is the Mosaic Law—either in whole or in part (the part including the so-called ‘ten commandments’). Now, if you hold to this view then you commit yourself to the letter of the Law and an obligation to keep all the law to perfection which we are told is simply not possible for sinful man to accomplish. By contrast, there are those who will argue that it is not the Mosaic Law in whole or in part that is meant in Jeremiah 31 but eternal universal law. Now, if you hold to this latter view, as I do, then you can show from scripture that eternal universal law is a law of divine love, which is “the law of life” not just for man but for the universe. That love is the most perfect and highest expression of law that far exceeds all law ever given to man.

    When we examine the New Testament we see that all law is brought to perfect expression in and through the life of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Head) and by extension in and through the individual lives of bbelievers, (the Church–His Body) and it is brought to perfect expression by the agency of the Holy Spirit. Grace internalises God’s law and produces a change of heart or attitude whereby believers bear the fruits of righteousness which is, (as has been said repeatedly on this forum), not only satisfies the righteousness demanded by old covenant temporal law, such as the Mosaic Law, but exceeds it. Such believers do not have to try to obey law but are already doing so spontaneously by the inner power of the Holy Spirit as, of course, they submit to His leading. So, for example, where the old covenant commandment states, “Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning” (Lev 19:13), believers will not even desire to defraud their neighbour and cause unnecessary suffering by withholding his wages due to him. In fact the very opposite is true; believers will always be showing their love for their neighbour by dealing justly with him in all things.

    Hence love is already a fulfilling of the law.

  51. HolleyBrooke says:

    This was so very very helpful. Thank you! You broke everything down and made it very clear to understand.

    You rock!

  52. Quora says:

    Can you stop the harming?…

    Please understand the difference between the Old Covenant(Testament) and the New Covenant(Testament). I have linked to several articles that may help. The work that God was doing with the Nation of Israel when he ruled them directly is vastly different…

  53. Patricia says:

    I am studying Hebrews and have written my answer to the differences between the OC and NC for my study question. So, now I am reading commentaries and have enjoyed this one by Mr Woodell, but I have to say” You all are getting so uptight about this and over analyzing “. I am going to take a break and come back to the comments tomorrow because I need to finish my questions to be prepared for my class. I do want to finish reading the comments.
    I read down to a comment from brianhyde from 2011, where he suggested reading Jeremiah and I read Jeremiah 31: 31-34 several times. God says, ” I will put my law
    in their minds and write it on their hearts”;. it does not say that the law will be abolished.

    He says the law will be in our hearts, Amen. He also says, I paraphrase, from the least to the greatest, they will know me! Not only will we know Him, I think that “know” means we will finally get what he wanted for us in the Old Covenant but could never understand. Now it will be in our hearts, our minds and our souls. Truly, what God wished for us will be innate.

  54. Yvonne Asafo Adjei says:

    The sabbath day which was set aside was misinterpreted by the Jews, cos Jesus made us understand that the sabbath day was to do good and make it holy and not to ignore our neighbours whiles they needed help.

  55. WesWoodell says:

    Reblogged this on The Overflow and commented:

    Friday repost:

  56. brianhyde says:

    I think it is interesting how individuals decide to split the Law of Moses into specific categories like “ceremonial”, “moral” and “civil”. These labels do not appear in the Bible so why should they be accepted as they so often are? By what authority do their inventors presume to impose them upon us in the first place?

    Does God’s Word permit us to split the Law of Moses in this wise? Or does the Bible teach that the Mosaic Law is to be treated as an indivisible unit?

    Who decides whether a law is sustantively “ceremonial” or so “moral” etc? The Bible doesn’t make such distinctions. Could it be that all law is “moral” in some way? Could it be that all law is ceremonial in some way? And could it be that each law has more than one of these elements and others classifications not yet invented?

    Finally, on what basis do we decide that some laws should be lifted from their Old Covenant context and be made to apply to the New Testament? And does the consequence of doing so have a beneficial or detrimental effect upon the Gosepl?

  57. Erika says:

    The whole problem with the Old Covenant was the PEOPLE not the instructions/laws themselves.

    “For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds FAULT WITH THEM when he says:

    Behold the days are coming, declares the Lord,when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will mke with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS, and I will be their God and they shall be my people …”

    (Hebrews 8:7-10)

    This is a HUGE thing to keep in mind when reading about the problem of the Old Covenant. The problem was that the PEOPLE DIDN’T KEEP IT IN THEIR HEARTS. They disobeyed the instructions and brought a curse onto themselves just as the law promised.

    “And if you faithfully obey the voice of the LORD your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the LORD your God.” (Deut 28:1-2)

    “But if you will not obey the voice of the LORD your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statues that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.” (Deut 28:15)

    The curse was always meant to drive the people back to God. The entire chapter of Deuteronomy 30 is dedicated to showing how wonderful life will be for His people once they remember the covenant and return to it (30:1-2), gain the Lord’s compassion (30:3), are regathered (30:4-5), have their hearts circumcised (30:6) and walk in obedience (30:8).

    So, yes, the letter of the law all by itself without love and faithful obedience will kill. Yes, the covenant turns into a ministry of death when we stubbornly turn from it, refusing to obey. Yes, the covenant condemns disobedience.

    But this is not a surprise. God has always declared these truths. And He has always declared the promise of a changed heart that would obey His instructions joyfully, that would follow Him in love, that would rejoice in His wisdom.

    The New Covenant doesn’t dismiss the laws of God. It can’t.

    The law is already perfect (Psalm 19:7, James 1:25)
    The law gives us liberty (Psalm 119:45, James 2:12)
    The law is the way (Ex 18:20, Acts 24:14)
    The law is truth (Psalm 119:142, Rom 2:20)
    The law is life (Deut 30:15-16, Prov 6:23)
    The law is light (Psalm 119:105, 2 Cor 6:14)

    Doesn’t it make perfect sense that when John says that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14), he meant that the law of God, all of the words of God, took on flesh and became the man of Jesus (Yeshua) the Messiah? It all fits!

    This is why He didn’t come to abolish the law. He WAS the living, breathing law. He taught and displayed it in its fullness, as it was always intended to be. He stripped away the fences that man had erected to “protect” the law, which actually hindered people from properly understanding it. He dismantled the traditions that had overturned the law. He restored it to its proper state and then bore the penalty we deserved for abandoning and spurning it.

    The New Covenant is what it was always promised to be: an internalization of the original law and instructions of God on a heart fully committed to loving God and His ways.

    “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declared the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. . . For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

    (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

    • brianhyde says:

      This is not an easy topic to explain since it has many facets anyone of which one could explore. But what you have written here is in my opinion, for what its worth, an excellent summation of the differences. It expertly draws together the commonalities of the two on the one hand and the transition from one to the next on the other hand. Thank you and God bless.

      between the two on the other.

    • gilan says:

      very insightful erika..thank u

  58. kay says:

    Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
    Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
    Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
    Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    luk_4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

    I disagree with u when u say 9/10 of the moral law is binding u cannot find that anywhere in the scripture,u break 1 you break them all as James say.The Sabbath is part of the ten commandments and it is a commandment from God to keep it,It is the longest commandments and has God name,authority and territory!
    The bible is its own interpreter,if we read it without the Holy Spirit we are bound to have our own erroneous interpretations.

  59. brianhyde says:

    I would like to bring some thoughts which I hope will highlight a fundamental difference of approach God has taken in the New Covenant as contrasted with the Old.

    “For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ” (Jn 1:17).

    “He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” (2 Cor 3:6)

    The rule is: first the physical; then the spiritual.

    Old Covenant Israel was a physical kingdom, ruled by Law. New
    Covenant Israel is a spiritual kingdom (a living temple) indwelt by the Spirit of Grace and Truth.

    Grace and Truth is the spiritual equivalent of the principles of developmental law, raised to its highest level and embodied in divine love and God IS love.

    The Law was a physical code presented in written format, instituted primarily to restrain criminal behavior (1 Tim 1: 9).

    The Law was a dead letter (it kills); Grace and Truth is a new and living way (it brings life); dynamically expressed as such by Christ the Way the Truth and the Life. Jesus told Peter that His own words are “spirit and life”. “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth” (Jn 1: 14).

    Love is a fulfilling of the Law. Ideas of divine Love in one’s understanding must be implanted (impregnated) into one’s heart for those ideas to come to “life” (bear fruit). This implantation is the work of Christ’s Spirit (hence, “fruits of the Spirit” Gal 3) in the willing recepient. In other words, once an individual receives God’s truth, he or she must allow truth (the Seed) to be taken to heart (be sown and germinate). This does not happen with physical law (the dead letter of law). At best it modifies outward behaviour but does not bring new life to the heart. The Law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (Jn 1:17).

    This divine operation of truth impregnating love (grace) reaches its highest expression in the eternal and sacred union of Christ and His Body (the Church) as Husband and Wife (Bride and Bridegroom). On Earth as in Heaven, men and women find perfection of this intimate operation in their spiritual union with Christ and with each other. The Husband is the understanding or truth of His Wife’s love, and the Wife becomes the beauty or outshining of her Husband’s Love.

    This level of intimacy is only possible through “spiritual rebirth” whereby the Husband’s grasp of God’s spiritual truth is received by the Wife in her mind and heart (renewal). She, is one with her Husband and is filled with His Seed; full of grace and truth.

    But for some, as revealed above, this is not enough and one must go back to keeping the letter of the law!

  60. Johnny says:

    Hi brianhyde ,

    Appreciate your comments. It’s good. But i felt there’s no need to quarrel with one another here. As we are all still studying and digging and learning from the Bible. No one can comprehend everything, we are just mere creation by an Awesome God!

    Perhaps, you can create a blog and post your article there for us to read as well?

    Thanks all. Learned alot today. =)

    • brianhyde says:

      Thanks Johnny, I like your spirit brother. You know, I have no wish to quarrel with anyone Alas, there are some (not on this forum perhaps) who would happily “burn me at the stake” for what I write about the difference between the two covenants. I ill take your advise and set up my own blog. God bless you.

  61. Bj says:

    Very good Passage. You are Correct. Thank you for spreading the truth!

  62. John Paul says:

    You are Correct. Thank you for spreading the truth!

  63. brianhyde says:

    “Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament [covenant]; not of the letter but of the spirit; for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life” (2 Cor 3:6; cf. Heb 8:8; 8:13; 12:24).

    There are those who insist that God writes the ten commandments on their hearts and minds in order to make it possible for them to obey them in the letter. They say, “Now we have the spirit of the law so that we can obey the letter of the law”.

    Is this really why God wants to give us His spirit? So we can “by that spirit… keep the letter of the law”?

    What does those who advance such a idea think Paul meant when he said “not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter
    killeth, but the spirit giveth life” (2 Cor 3:6)?

    If “the letter killeth” why would the spirit help us to keep it?

    The old covenant (letter) and the new covenant (spirit) are completely separate and incompatible covenants. We, in Christ, are in a “new covenant”.

    Contrary to the prevalent teaching on this subject, we are not keeping the “spirit of the letter” or the “spirit of the old
    covenant”. The ‘spirit of the letter’ is like saying the ‘the spiritual carnal mind’. The new covenant is “not in oldness of
    the letter” (Rom 7:6). The “oldness of the letter” had no spirit to lose; it was a form; a dead letter. The law was not given for righteous man; it was given for the unrightous: “The law [of Moses] is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and
    disobedient…” (1Tim 1:9) for rebellious and stiff-necked people, as a witness against them (Deut 31:27).

    If one is keeping the letter of the law, he is a “debtor to do the whole law” (Gal 5:3) not just the Sabbath and holy days, not just the clean and unclean meat laws, not just the ten commandments but “the whole law”.

    The idea that there is such a thing as “the spirit of the letter” is not sound doctrine and it is not a pattern of sound words because it is not in the scriptures. It will mislead you, and you will end up attempting to retain the letter to some degree.

    We do not read “not of the letter, but ALSO of the spirit”, “in newness of spirit and ALSO in the oldness of the letter” and “in the spirit, and ALSO in the letter”. What we read is:

    “NOT of the letter, but of the spirit” (2 Cor 3:6).

    “…in the newness of the spirit and NOT in the oldness of the letter” (Rom 7:6)

    “in the Spirit, NOT in the letter” (Rom 2:29)

    These verses are a pattern of sound doctrine and words which if used and adhered to will
    deliver us from many erroneous teachings.

    Apparently some believe ‘”Now since we have the spirit of the law living in us and by that spirit, we keep the letter”. To him “not of the letter” doesn’t really mean “NOT of the letter”; but rather “one can’t keep the letter without the spirit, and one can’t keep the spirit without the letter.”

    This is scriptural nonsense.

    Again I ask, is that really why we were given the spirit? So we could keep the letter? Were Christ and His disciples simply lacking the spirit when they deliberately broke the letter concerning the Sabbath (Jn 5:18)? Was Jesus lacking the spirit when He
    healed the impotent man and told him to take up his
    bed and walk, contrary to the letter of the law?

    In peace

    • gilan says:

      hi bryanhyde many blessings to you i read almost all of what you said and i would like to ask you one question because god did give us wisdom and he said in the last days there will be a outpouring of his spirit he also said my people perish daily from lack of knowledge..most people go to church on sunday..why because it is a instituted day given by man to worship god but if there is no longer a sabbath day why do most of the world now go to church n worship god mainly on that day?shouldn’t it be anyday or everyday? God wrote these not temporary commandments for a reason..many knew in the new testament that the mosaic ceremonial laws n rituals were temporary because even in the new testament they were awaiting Jesus they knew he was going to be born.even john the baptist greeted him as such in the book of Matthew. .the seventh day original sabbath was made for our benefit of all the days of work (6) god gave us a day that he says that we can rest..connect with him..and remember him and show others who he is..the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath if we can’t get our rest day with god the other 6 days because we have to work he actually made it a commandment on the 7 th day originally Saturday before the calendar changed..that we are to rest in him..jesus kept it and thru him you will have all of gods laws, commandments, love, insight, forgiveness in your heart and be clean from sin!!:) by the way if you want to worship god everyday..even better!!!

  64. Skip says:

    I have 3 questions that don’t seem to have been addressed yet in this discussion.

    1. The new covenant, as it’s described in Jer 31:31-34, will involve this curious feature;

    No longer will they teach their neighbor,
    or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
    because they will all know me,
    from the least of them to the greatest,”

    This sounds to me like the millennial kingdom, not the church age. Yet that feature is listed among 3 others–Law being written on our hearts and minds, special relationship between us and God, and sins being forgiven–all of which sound like the church age. Is this an example of the “already/not yet” idea that in the church age we experience some of the aspects of the Kingdom of God but not others?

    2. If forgiveness is a feature of the NC, was that not a feature of the old? We certainly see examples of grace and forgiveness in the OT. So why does Jer seem to include forgiveness as one of the ways the NC “will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors”?

    3. The OC relationship with God definitely seems more external (relating through laws) whereas the NC is internal (relating through heart and mind via the spirit). But how then do we explain the intimate personal relationship David and others had with God?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Skip

  65. abey says:

    The veil of the temple was rent from top to Bottom. The heaven opened & amidst thunder & Lightenings Apostle John saw the Arc of the covenant in the temple there.

  66. PC says:

    In the Old Testament God dealt with men in different ways under different dispensations.
    With the Old Covenant under the Law the Priest had to make animal sacrifices to God in order for Israel to be forgiven, this was done on a daily basis, with certain rituals. In essence, there where many animal sacrifices in which God was not please with. Many innocent animals had to die. Remember without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness or remission of sins. Now the High Priest went into the Holy of Holies once a year for the nation of Israel. These Priest kept this position until death and another took his place. Also remember they themselves had to make sacrifice for their own sins before making it for the people or persons that needed forgiveness. God honor this type of blood sacrifice but remember God had a plan for a secured plan for the forgiveness of sin which would be one time only and this was through His Son Jesus. The plan of Salvation had to come through Jesus Christ. Jesus became the innocent Sacrificial Lamb, without sin, our Mediator, High Priest, the one who could cleanse us from all unrighteous and thus placing us back into right relationship with God. Thus we become the righteousness of Jesus Christ. The Old Testament point us to Christ and was our School Master and a Shadow of things to come. The Law was weak in that it had no power to Save, to help keep a individual from sinning, or renew a person’s mind and transforming their lives, it showed you your wrong and yes it was certainly Holy. So yes, forgiveness was certainly in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant. Now we are under the New Covenant and the only way to come to God is through Jesus Christ and this is for Jew and Gentile alike.

    Hebrews 9:1 is a text that hinders many from seeing that all God’s blessings to man are gained by virtue of the second covenant, and not by the first. That text reads: “Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.” This, together with the fact that when men complied with these ordinances of divine service, they were forgiven (Leviticus 4), seems to some conclusive evidence that the old covenant contained the gospel and its blessings. But forgiveness of sins was not secured by virtue of those offerings. “for it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.” Hebrews 10:4. Forgiveness was obtained only by virtue of the promised sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 9:15), the mediator of the new covenant, their faith in whom was shown by their offerings. So it was by virtue of the second or new covenant that pardon was secured to those who offered the sacrifices provided for in the ordinances of divine service connected with the old or first covenant. (Copied from a Biblical Examination of the Old Covenant VS the New Covenant)

    • brianhyde says:

      The Old Covenant did not contain the power of the Gospel but certainly witnessed to it.

      What you have written here is very important and I would like to build upon it by adding an important truth that the New Testament reveals.

      “For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.” Heb 9:13-14, ESV)

      The crucial difference between forgiveness for the sinner through the blood of animals under the Old Covenant and the forgiveness for the sinner through the blood of Christ under the New Covenant, is that the blood of animals could not cleanse as pertaining to the conscience (Heb 9:9) from moral offences to serve the living God, whereas the blood of Christ can and does. The Law (sacrifice: bloodshed) could not totally purge the conscience it could only cleanse the body. If the conscience was purged, there would have been no more conscience of sins at all but a consciousness of sin did remain (Heb 10:2). The shedding of blood purges almost all things; but almost all is not all. Only the spotless blood of Christ can totally purge one’s conscience from all sin and dead works (laws, sacrifices) to serve the living God.

      This is also the essential difference between Law (sacrifice) and Grace (mercy).

      A conscience not totally purged of sin then gives place and power to law again the law is the strength of sin (1 Cor 15:56) and results in unrest, for contrary things (sacrifice vs mercy) cannot co-exist in peace. So to establish your heart in peace, you must make the Law a dead testator and you must purge your conscience from moral offences through the blood of Christ.

  67. brianhyde says:

    One of the favourite methods of Bible interpretation used by Sabbatarians is to READ into scripture their pre conceived ideas. This is called eisogesis. It is a very dangerous method because it imparts to scripture the will of man and not the will of God. Our safety lies in sticking exactly to what scripture says.

    Sabbatarian assumption: The Sabbath was made at Creation.

    Sabbatarians haven’t comprehended the fact that the word “Sabbath” is never found in the book of Genesis. The first case of Sabbath keeping was in Exodus 16 at Mt. Sinai. Here Jehovah gave Moses the “Ten Commandments”, for the first time in world history. If the Ten commandments did not exist before Moses, then neither did the 4th commandment unless we find some command or example before Moses. The truth is that Adam never kept the Sabbath, nor did Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph or anyone in while in Egyptian bondage.This covers a period of over 2500 years!

    Before looking again at Holy Writ lets hear from two church fathers:

    150AD JUSTIN: Moreover, all those righteous men already mentioned [after mentioning Adam. Abel, Enoch, Lot, Noah, Melchizedek, and Abraham], though they kept no Sabbaths, were pleasing to God; and after them Abraham with all his descendants until Moses… And you [fleshly Jews] were commanded to keep Sabbaths, that you might retain the memorial of God. For His word makes this announcement, saying, “That you may know that I am God who redeemed you.” (Dialogue With Trypho the Jew, 150-165 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, page 204)

    200AD TERTULLIAN: Let him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day because of threat of death, teach us that in earliest times righteous men kept Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and so were made friends of God. .. …Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised, and inobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering Him sacrifices, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was by Him commended… Noah also, uncircumcised – yes, and inobservant of the Sabbath – God freed from the deluge. For Enoch, too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, He translated from this world… Melchizedek also, “the priest of most high God,” uncircumcised and inobservant of the Sabbath, was chosen to the priesthood of God. (An Answer to the Jews 2:10; 4:1, Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol. 3, page 153)

    According to Sabbatarian’s Adam, Noah and Abraham kept the Sabbath.

    A. Even if the Sabbath was given to Adam, that does not mean Christians must keep it because God also gave sacrificial laws of offering to Adam as well (although after the garden). Such an argument by Sabbatarians ultimately proves nothing!

    B. The 10 commandments or Sabbath law did not exist before Moses

    The word “Sabbath” is not found in the book of Genesis! This law was something new. The fathers prior to Egypt did not keep the Sabbath: Deut 5:2-3 “The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord DID NOT make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, with all those of us alive here today.” No one prior to the Exodus from Egypt (Ex 16) even knew about the Sabbath law:

    Ezek 20:10-12 “So I took them out of the land of Egypt and brought them into the wilderness. 11 “And I GAVE THEM My statutes and informed them of My ordinances, by which, if a man observes them, he will live. 12 “And also I GAVE THEM My Sabbaths to be a SIGN BETWEEN ME AND THEM, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.”

    God revealed “made known” the Sabbath law at Sinai, He did not remind them:

    Nehemiah 9:13-14 “You came down also on Mount Sinai, and spoke with them from heaven, and gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statutes and commandments. You MADE KNOWN to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.”

    Galatians 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later (after Abraham)

    First Occurrence of the word “Sabbath” – Exodus 16:22-23:

    And so it was, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. Then he said to them, ‘This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

    The text in verse 23-30 indicates that this was a new experience for Israel. They were not used to keeping the Sabbath before this time.

    The ten commandments were first given when Moses face shone: Ex 34:27-28; 2 Cor 3
    If they had the Sabbath before Ex 16, then they just as likely had the manna before as well. Yet Sabbatarians freely admit that the manna was something new for them. Yet when we look at the text, the Jews were equally unfamiliar with BOTH manna and the Sabbath.

    C. There is no record or even hint that anyone prior to Ex 16 kept the Sabbath: Yet the Patriarchs were instructed regarding:

    Offerings: Gen 4:3-4
    Altars Gen 8:20
    Priests: Gen 14:18
    Tithes: Gen 14:20
    Circumcision: Gen 17:10
    Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9

    Why would God leave out the “all important” Sabbath command if it was commanded the Fathers?

    D. Sabbath was not sanctified until after God rested: Gen 2:2; Ex 20:11

    First God rested, then AFTER HE RESTED then He sanctified it. This proves that the Sabbath was not part of God’s eternal law in heaven prior to creation! SDAs in particular ppromote this idea of the Ten Commandments being eternal law but here we see that God made the seventh-day holy at Creation. Why would He do that if it was already in existnce?

    The Bible no where says WHEN he sanctified it, just that it was after God rested.
    Even if God did sanctify the seventh day in Eden, God still did not revealed the Sabbath in Eden because there is absolutely no evidence that anyone kept the Sabbath prior to Ex 16.

    Gen 2:2 tells us the reason, not the time that God sanctified the seventh day.

    Genesis was written during the time of Moses, not before. Neither Adam or Abraham had the book of Genesis! For the first time God told the Jews in the wilderness about a Sabbath!

    Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb from before the foundation of the world, ( 1 Pet 1:20; 2 Tim 1:9) but He was not revealed to man until some 4,000 years later. Yet we know God set Jesus apart as the sacrifice for man long before God actually GAVE His son.

    E. The Sabbath would be unsuitable for Adam while in the Garden of Eden:

    Work and labour were only existed after Adam sinned: Gen 3:19

    “strangers with your gates, servants” make no sense in the garden regarding the Sabbath details given to Moses.

    The only two commandments God gave Adam were to keep the garden Gen 2:5 and not eat the forbidden fruit.

    F. The first time any Jewish holy day is mentioned in scripture, it always lacks the definite article (a Sabbath).

    All the Jewish holy days are never introduced the first time in scripture with the definite article “the” but with the indefinite “a” or “an”. The indefinite article is used both before and after something has been instituted, but the definite article (THE Sabbath) is never used the first time something is introduced.

    This powerful argument proves that the weekly Sabbath did not exist before Ex 16:23. What makes it irrefutable, is the fact that every Jewish Holy Day follows this same pattern!

    Before instituted: “tomorrow is a Sabbath” Ex 16:23
    After instituted: “the Lord has given you the Sabbath” Ex 16:29

    Before: “A solemn rest “a” holy Sabbath” Ex 17:22; Lev 16:25
    After: “”the” Sabbath” Ex 20:11

    Before: “”a” memorial” Lev 12:30
    After “the Lord’s Passover

    Before: “”an” holy convocation” Lev 23:21
    After: “”the day of Pentecost” Acts 2:1

    Before: “Unleavened bread: “a” feast: Ex 12:40
    After: “the feast” Lev 23:6

    See also Heb 8:18; Gen 8:20; Lev 23:27
     

    G. The seventh day was not sanctified on day 6, but is an example of Prolepsis:

    Prolepsis: “the representation of something in the future as if it already existed or had occurred.” Webster’s Dictionary

    Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. (This is said before the birth of Cain.)

    Genesis 4:20-21 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. His brother’s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. (but not at that time in the narration)

    Matthew 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. (The betrayal did not occur until 3 years later.)

    1 Sam 4:1 not named until later ( 1 Sam 7:12)
    Lk 6:16

    Gen 11:9 (2218BC connected with 1492BC)

    Gen 10:4-5 There were no Gentiles in Noah’s day, connected with 1492BC

    Gen 2:24 there were no mothers and fathers at that time!

    Jn 11:1-2 anointing did not take place until later in Jn 12:3

    When Moses wrote “Genesis” to the Jews, he brought up the reason they kept the Sabbath in the Creation account, although it was not finally revealed until the events recorded in Exodus.

    Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy… For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. ”

    H. Typical case of how Sabbatarians try to prove the 10 commandments existed before Moses. Here is their favourite proof text:

    “because Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.” ” (Genesis 26:5)

    Now the first mistake is that every time they see “my commandments” they assume it is the ten commandments.

    The second mistake Sabbatarians make is that because the Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments they assume it must be a moral law. But does Scripture support this supposition?

    1. When God hallowed the seventh day He did so to commemorate the finishing of His work of creation. The seventh day was a memorial of His Rest. Whatever meaning God gave to the seventh day by blessing it, this blessing has its genesis in a divine memorial. Instituting a divine memorial is not the same as instituting a law for man!
    2. God hallowed the seventh-day BEFORE sin entered the world. When God made the seventh day a memorial of His Rest, Adam had not yet sinned. Unlike the other laws of the Decalogue, the Fourth Commandment does not provide a remedy for sin, (i.e. behaviour mandated to rectify a moral wrong) but binds Israel to remember and commemorate a pre-existing memorial as an acknowledgment that the Creator God had delivered them from Egyptian bondage and to teach them the lesson of resting in Him.
    3. Work (the central aspect of the Fourth precept) is not intrinsically immoral. In Exodus 20: 8 God disallows something one day a week that is perfectly legitimate the other days of the week. This is not, therefore, a law dealing with immoral behaviour since immoral behaviour is ALWAYS wrong, seven days a week; not just 24 hours of a week!

    That the seventh day was hallowed as a memorial BEFORE sin entered is crowning evidence that the Sabbath law, which came later, was purely commemorative in nature, and since commemoration is an attribute of ceremony, we can safely conclude that the Sabbath precept is, ipso facto, a ceremonial law. And this is exactly what the Bible teaches, to wit, Colossians 2:16.

  68. brianhyde says:

    But enough of all this theology. In the end, the important thing to remember is that under the old covenant whatever the things God commanded He expected the Jews to live by them (the law was not of faith–Romans 3:12), whereas under the new covenant whatever things God has commanded Christians to do they are to expect Him to work in them as a gift of His grace in response to their faith.

  69. gilan says:

    OK here it is in a nutshell The TRUTH because i love some of Derek and Kay’s interpretation because it is the most on point in the answers and this what is wrong with so many of us in the body of Christ is division some have some views right on the bible and some have some views wrong..First off god’s word doesn’t change once he does or says something it stays that unless he says it isn’t forever or it inst a promise (Noah and the flood etc)..the ceremonial laws was a quick fix temporary solution that god gave until Jesus arrived because he would be the permanent solution and perfect solution of sin..the same ceremony had to happen to Jesus that would happen to the animal for forgiveness of sin that is why Christ is referred to as the lamb he became the sacrificial “animal” that died for ALL sin..when Jesus came he came to set the record straight and magnify what god stood for..He corrected the pharisees when it came to the law and who the Sabbath belonged to and what it was for, he corrected his disciples and the people on the ten commandments and (magnified or went into deeper) on what each commandments meant and he magnified forgiveness when he died on the cross. One cannot be saved by the law but it does not mean we are not to live by it or else what other law are suppose to live by? God wrote the ten commandments with his own finger.. When Christ died he became the law (the whole package) He shows you how to live by love when u let him into your heart..he shows u naturally how to obey the ten commandments in your heart..obey god and give him his time..love one another..purge sin and cleanses you from the inside out..shows you the truth..and have a victorious life.. its all simple and right there in the bible.

    But just a few more things :) that doesn’t make sense that i saw some people state ..why would god write the ten commandments and say never mind don’t worry about the fourth one (which also may I add was a Forever Covenant between god and Israel throughout their GENERATIONS as a Sign between god and Israel revealing worship to the one true god and who he was (exodus 31) and just obey 9 of them lol that logically doesn’t make any sense so not only did god write the fourth commandment as a law on the ten commandments but its one of the only old covenants commands he made with Israel and anyone that followed him that he said was to last forever to all the generations, the only difference is the law changed where we wont be put to death for not following it at lease not physically lol ..the ceremonial law traditions (mosaic law) wasn’t permanent but God”s commandments are. They were written personally on STONE by God..Second just because the Sabbath wasn’t called Sabbath back then we do see it does exist since the beginning (genesis) and even if those before Moses weren’t recorded resting on the sabbath doesn’t mean they didn’t either because it doesn’t show the word sabbath yet until moses so on the seventh day threes a big chance they rested and enjoyed the lord or did work strictly that had to do for the lord (ministering, feeding the poor etc) third if the commandments or the Sabbath was only meant for the Israelites then why did god want them to spread his gospel to the gentiles which means other nations? Obviously he wanted everyone to know his word and commandments and know that he was god and to be apart of his family because before we was spread out across the world (tower of babel) we was one people and he used the Israelite’s as the chosen people to spread the truth to the others and he used them as his example of his love. Even when Jesus came he came to speak to and save ALL and said that ANYONE that comes to him will be saved and inherit the kingdom of heaven. So in short if you love god you will obey his commandments (in the bible) if you break one of them you break them all (in the bible) and anyone who come to Jesus and makes him their lord and savior and repents of their sin will be made a new creature and cleansed of all their sin…

    Well that’s it hope this was helpful :) love you all n god bless you ALL oh anything in () symbols means you can google it and the scripture will pop right up

    • brianhyde says:

      Hi Gilan

      In my experience there is a certain class of people who, notwithstanding scriptural evidence that plainly refute’s their position, will cling hold of their view at all costs. IMO you are one of them. The Body of Christ (SDAs exempted — they have disassociated themselves from the Body) has been infiltrated by huge numbers of individuals proclaiming a law gospel. This is nothing new of course, and Paul had to contend with the same class of people in his day. The following is what he said and I suggest you ponder his words very carefully.

      “They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.” 1 Timothy 1:7

      • gilan says:

        there are many things i can say and your right some people will cling to their beliefs imo you are ones as well..its funny all thru the bible god plainly shows that he is not the author of confusion (1 corn 14;33) hes not going to say one thing then crazily change it up without a agenda at hand..he doesnt work like man..the thing that may shock you is im not sda..im not catholic..im not muslim..im not even christian per say (Constantine created it)..i am a follower of the i am that i am..the father pf moses, Issac and Abraham..our father in heaven and i am a follower of his word..not man made doctrines or ministries..in daniel 7;25 the bible lets you know the that the beast/ Antichrist (system/government) will change laws and dates and statues that is not of god..im not trying to be holy or whatever and if im wrong i will be humble and be corrected but honestly the point your stating is invalid because there is nothing in the bible that shows any commandments were done away with before and after christ or therefore that will make a christ and god a hypocrite..correct? especially since in matt 5:18 christ himself specially tells you that..so to conclude this i rather listen in god then man because if you love god you will keep his commandments (john 14:15) and if you break one you break them all matt 5:19 and james 2:10 plus honestly i feel more confident in my decision that im at least on the right path because like (rev 14;12 says patients of the saints those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS GOD and THE TESTIMONY OR FAITH OF CHRIST and by the way if you read the story on paul more closely regarding him having church (so called sunday n some say monday) youll noticed when read the passage and the timing..he even kept the sabbath n didnt go about his way til that sat evening sunday morning..much love

  70. brianhyde says:

    Gilan

    Then given that you are so sure of your facts it will not be difficult for you to provide the following information for me, will it?

    An uniquivocal scripture evidencing:

    1. a clear commandment from God that before Sinai, during Sinai, and since Sinai that the Gentiles were to keep the Sabbath. Chapter and verse, now, please
    2. a clear commandment from God to Adam and Eve to observie a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
    3 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Adam and Eve were to keep the Sabbath. Ditto
    4 a clear commandment from God to Christians to observe a seventh-day sabbath. Ditto
    5 a clear commandment from God detailing exactly how Christians are to keep a seventh-day Sabbath. Ditto

    You know, I really admire a person who has such confidence as you have about her facts and I am really looking forward to being enlightened.

    Oh, by the way, chapter and verse please Gilan. Don’t give me texts that YOU THINK teach Sabbath keeping — I know all those agruments, What I am asking is clear commandments just like Exodus 20:8

    • gilan says:

      yes i will under two conditions because i hate wasting my time and energy on sharing info to a closed heart and someone who just want a argument for argument sake and because they truly are trying to understand something you know..if you honestly are trying to learn and see if what i am saying is valid with a open heart i will be more than happy to ..but if its just for debate then ill have to pass and just share my knowledge with someone who is truly trying to search for the truth…second i will also do it is you can show me exactly where in the old and new how the only commandment taken out was the fourth(sabbath) or if u believe all the ten commandment are invalid and why backing it up with biblical explanations with chapters and verses in its whole context not just a verse that says one thing but when you read the whole passage refers to something entirely different..thanks

      • brianhyde says:

        Look, Gilan, this blog has, from the author’s own leading argument, one comprehensive article after another dealing with the central issue and from both sides of the fence. You come along, with great aplomb, brush it all aside, post up an article which sets out a long list of unrelated issues, scrambled ideas and disjointed arguments which betrays clear bias (and what seems to be classic Seventh day Adventist spiel or something very similar, if I’m not mistaken). Moreover, you address only those who support your peculiar ideas whilst ignoring those who do not. Now, pray tell me, does that show an “open heart”, a mind free from argumentation?

        This forum is not about the bad guys versus the good guys, those who are right and those who are wrong, there is already far too much of that in Christianity (which is why it is so fragmented).– besides, we could all be wrong — but it is about debating candidtly and openly, without the canker of prejudice, and showing respect for other people’s views whilst disagreeing passionately.

        And, not least, it is about taking into consideration WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID on a particular matter, from both sides of the spectrum, and then BUILDING UPON THAT in order to find common ground where we can meet.

        There are people here who have clearly spent hours preparing indepth answers all appropriately referenced from scripture etc. But do you address these? Not at all! You ignore what has been said by those who oppose your conclusions and address only those who support you. Well, my dear, if you are going to debate like that and everyone follows your example, then this blog will deteriorate into a battlefield and we will go round and round the garden, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

        Apart from agreeing that we have a gracious spirit toward each other, I have two requests:.

        1. If we are going to debate could we please deal with one point at a time and once we agree, or agree to disagree, then move on to the next point?. I myself must needs do the same.
        2 When you write would you mind to follow convention by adding a capital letter at the start of each sentence so that I can understand where one idea stops and another starts?

        Thank you and God richly bless you :

        Brian

      • gilan says:

        and your going around the point, choosing to accept the bible as you see fit and what fits your schedule instead of SIMPLY TAKING responsibly accepting the truth and just taking responsibility if you choose to live by that truth or not..dont make god out to be hypocrite or the bible contradicting just because it doesn’t suit your ideas and dont try to sum me up in a nutshell just because i don’t go along your protocol..you obviously are confused and mixing things up from other sources and the bible instead of just focusing on strictly scripture…i wish you the best and hopefully youll pray and god will show you revelation of his word if your willing to accept it..quite frankly honestly just on a cautions standpoint alone and im goin to leave off with this..rather the sabbath is still in existence and still apart of the commandments that god gives us to obey or not which CHANCE would you rather take..if its done away with then were good and if i choose to make a certain day a special day with god he wont penalize me for it BUT if it just so happens that the sabbath is still a commandment better yet a perpetual covenant (a forever bond or agreement) throughout the generations(their children’s children and so on) between god’s people (Israel aka anyone who receives jesus in new covenant) and him as a sign that they may know he is the lord their god and they are his children (read exodus 31;16) well you get the point..youll pretty much have to explain to father who wont be to happy with you why you denied his commandment…and im not just defending just the sabbath im defending ALL things that is of god that people try to twist..so with that im done..take care and what ever happens is between you and the father because we will all be judged for what we do on this earth and we will be held accountable for knowing his word but purposely rejecting it..

    • gilan says:

      yes i will under two conditions because i hate wasting my time and energy on sharing info to a closed heart and someone who just want a argument for argument sake and because they truly are trying to understand something you know..if you honestly are trying to learn and see if what i am saying is valid with a open heart i will be more than happy to ..but if its just for debate then ill have to pass and just share my knowledge with someone who is truly trying to search for the truth…second i will also do it is you can show me exactly where in the old and new how the only commandment taken out was the fourth(sabbath) or if u believe all the ten commandment are invalid and why backing it up with biblical explanations with chapters and verses in its whole context not just a verse that says one thing but when you read the whole passage refers to something entirely different..thanks

      • brianhyde says:

        ps
        Oh, and btw, whilst I am very teachable, believe me, I am wondering if you have come along here with a preconceived agenda to teach us all what your church believes so that we must “learn” from you. If that IS your agenda, then count me out. :)

  71. brianhyde says:

    Look, Gilan, this blog has, from the author’s own leading argument, one comprehensive article after another dealing with the central issue and from both sides of the fence. You come along, with great aplomb, brush it all aside, post up an article which sets out a long list of unrelated issues, scrambled ideas and disjointed arguments which betrays clear bias (and what seems to be classic Seventh day Adventist spiel or something very similar, if I’m not mistaken). Moreover, you address only those who support your peculiar ideas whilst ignoring those who do not. Now, pray tell me, does that show an “open heart”, a mind free from argumentation?

    This forum is not about the bad guys versus the good guys, those who are right and those who are wrong, there is already far too much of that in Christianity (which is why it is so fragmented).– besides, we could all be wrong — but it is about debating candidtly and openly, without the canker of prejudice, and showing respect for other people’s views whilst disagreeing passionately.

    And, not least, it is about taking into consideration WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID on a particular matter, from both sides of the spectrum, and then BUILDING UPON THAT in order to find common ground where we can meet.

    There are people here who have clearly spent hours preparing indepth answers all appropriately referenced from scripture etc. But do you address these? Not at all! You ignore what has been said by those who oppose your conclusions and address only those who support you. Well, my dear, if you are going to debate like that and everyone follows your example, then this blog will deteriorate into a battlefield and we will go round and round the garden, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

    Apart from agreeing that we have a gracious spirit toward each other, I have two requests:.

    1. If we are going to debate could we please deal with one point at a time and once we agree, or agree to disagree, then move on to the next point?. I myself must needs do the same.
    2 When you write would you mind to follow convention by adding a capital letter at the start of each sentence so that I can understand where one idea stops and another starts?

    Thank you and God richly bless you :

    Brian

  72. gilan says:

    and p.s. i am willing to learn truth as long as it isn’t bull or opinion .you know satan also comes as a wolf in sheep clothing so we have to be careful were not being led of his doctrine. Hes very good at twisting the bible he knows it front to back he just doesn’t follow it :).Also may i add so you don’t think a church led me to this conclusion…I never even knew about a Sabbath day for a long time. I went to church on sunday..followed the pastors interpretation of things..did everything all the other Christians did.. many of them religious may i add not spiritual, but its funny when you pray, fast, ask god to give you guidance and revelation and read the bible for yourself..ihe leads you to a whole other story..I am sure you can understand everything im saying if you just read it..Im not trying to be grammatically correct just trying to make a point and i have constantly made references to scrpiture with all of what i said based on my thesis but you must of read around all that when you already made up in your mind to disagree with anything i said just based on our argument alone and honestly it wouldn’t matter how may scriptures i put up because it seems you already made up your mind on how you feel..there were plenty of people i saw in the blog that gave you scripture after scripture supporting evidence of the sabbath but you went around it and summed up your own interpretations so in the end does it really matter? so god bless n take care

    • brianhyde says:

      No Gilan I do not think it is wise for you and I to enter a debate. Firstly you totally ignored by two requests and secondly you continue to project yourself as judge and jury in all things and that anyone who does not hold to your ideas doesn’t know what they are talking about. I am very familiar with your type of personality but I will say no more other than that I find I am not prepared to debate with someone who is self-opinionated and wishes to bring her own agenda just as I suspected.

      • Gilan says:

        Yes Brian I agree so we can agree to disagree and its funny the very things you accuse me of you are doin exactly the same lol hilarious the only difference is I can admit to mine can you..but I understand this is what people do when they really have nothing of value to say..they judge and attack..I’m not here to hold your hand I was simply if u really wanted facts about what the bible stated on the matter we were debating was goin to show you but just as I saw u backed off so did I cause as we both can see this is a waste of time so have a blessed year goodbye there is no need to discuss this any longer I’m sure even the wisest person may not be able to convince u or at least spark your mind simply because you made up ur mind on what u want to believe..have a blessed year

  73. brianhyde says:

    Definitely there has to be a clear cut off point between the Old World (covered by the OT Law and Prophets and Writings) and the New World (covered by the NT – post Calvary and AD70). Many Christian denominations refuse to separate the two worlds in some way or another and this leads to a lot of confusion and, of course, corresponding delusion

    This is why some are teaching a future nation Israel.

    This is why some are still upholding types and shadows like the Sabbath.

    Result?

    As the sun is eclipsed by the moon, so the New Covenant is eclipsed by the Old Covenant

    What happens to Christ?

    He is totally obscured; consigned to the shadows!

    • benjvh2013 says:

      This is very good words. But they will not listen.They want all churches pushing the law which done away by Christ new covenant. They not understand without the blood of animals is sabbath observance cannot be accepted by God,The is not changed today it is still the same Where in Christ new covenant is command to keep sabbath? it is not found.

      I read this on You Tube

      “For a start sabbath-keeping was not a private individual affair; it was a corporate affair. Just look at the syntax and context of Exodus 20:8–it is directed at a cultic people the Hebrews geographically located outside of Egypt and with reference to deliverance from Egyptian slavery Observance, involved you (as patriarch) ordering your entire household, your kids, servants and animals; engaging the services of the priesthood, the High Priest, Temple. the entire nation. Once the Temple was destroyed in AD70 it became impossible for anyone to observe the Sabbath according to all the law in the Torah” – The Way Ministry

      This is why it is not in the new covenant

      • Jayne Stewart says:

        Then read the Bible. The Torah is based on old law covenants.

      • brianhyde says:

        Yes, I agree. It is evident from the language of the fourth precept (and the prologue to the Decalogue) that the Sabbath was a very important part of Israel’s cultural identity, enjoined as a covenantal sign that set them apart from from the surrounding nations. Moreover, as your reference points out, it was an interdependent activity involving the entire nation in concert. These characteristics are all the more reason why the silence of the New Testament does not favour sabbatarians. If Paul, were writing to Jewish Christians alone then perhaps but the lack of counsel must needs be explained given the new covenant is sealed with the antitypical blood of Christ. But for Gentile converts with no sabbath experience to need no instruction, counsel, warning or encouragement, on the subject of sabbath observance? Reasons like these tip the scales heavily in the other direction. Paul preached the FULL gospel (Rom.15:19) to the WHOLE counsel of God (Acts 20:27). As the Apostle to the Gentiles (Rom.11:13; Gal.2:7-9) he did not leave the young church guessing when it came to sins that would exclude from the kingdom.

      • brianhyde says:

        Never takes long before they emerge — Seventh-day Adventists and kindred spirits, trading their wares (SDA propoganda). The sect, which defines itself as “the remnant” and “the only church on earth God approves of” has been separate from the Body of Christ for 170 years. It is infamous for its pernicious attempt to corrupt the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ with its own brand of judaising.

        Beware this cult!

      • Jayne Stewart says:

        I’m not sure if I’m replying to brianhyde or benjvh2013 who refers to SDA as a cult. Technically, all denominations are a cult. They have their own beliefs, doctrines, and rituals as to what they think are acceptable in worshipping God and how they live their lives. I have been seeking the truth of GOD’S word for several years and am a newly converted Adventist. I was raised baptist. I have interviewed people of many denominations—worked with them, have attended their churches, and compared their doctrines with God’s word as expressed in the Holy Bible.

        1 John 2:3-5. Now by this we know Him, IF we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him. But, whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE ARE IN HIM. 1 John 2:7-8. Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in Him and in you, because the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining.

        To whomever I am responding, don’t take my word for anything. Study God’s word without using private interpretations or the opinions or commentaries of others’. (Commentaries are viewed as man’s opinions which can be deceiving nor based on facts). The whole world’s reality is described in 2 Timothy 3:1-9. Verse 5—having a form of godliness but denying it’s power . AND FROM SUCH PEOPLE TURN AWAY. Verse 7——always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the TRUTH.

        Have you explored what the Adventist believe or are you going on hearsay? Here’s what they believe and encourage members to practice: 1. They believe in the Trinity. 2. Accept the death of Jesus Christ as the atoning of sins that by God’s grace through faith in His shed blood we are saved from sin and penalty. 3. Accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior and that God through Jesus forgives sin and gives a new heart, therefore renouncing the sinful ways of the world. 4. Accept by faith the righteousness of Jesus Christ and claim the Holy Spirit to dwell in us and strengthen us to do His will. 5. Believe that the Bible is God’s inspired Word, the only rule of faith and will practice spending time in Bible study and prayer. 6. Accept the 10 Commandments as a revelation of God’s will for Christians; and purpose, through the power of His Spirit, to keep this law, including the 4th commandment, which requires the observance of the seventh day of the week Sabbath of The Lord. 7. Adventists look forward to the second coming of Jesus when “the mortal shall—put on immortality”; as to prepare to meet Him and witness to His loving salvation, and by life and word help others to be ready for His glorious appearing. 8. Accept the Bible teachings of spiritual gifts and believe that the gift of prophesy is one of the identifying marks of God’s remnant church. 9. Believe in supporting the church with tithes and offerings—by personal effort and influence. 10. Believe the our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit and will honor God by caring for it, abstaining from the use of harmful and unclean foods as stated in the Bible and abstain from alcohol, tobacco, misuse of narcotics or other drugs. 11. As they learn and know the truth of God’s Word based on Bible principles, it is the purpose to order life in harmony with these Bible principles. 12. Believe that baptism is by total immersion as a public expression of faith and forgiveness of sins. 13. Believe that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the remnant church of Bible prophecy and that people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into it’s fellowship.

        So once again, to whomever I’m responding, if you find anything in these doctrines that aren’t biblically based, please let me know so I can reconsider what I have done. If anything sounds cultish, it’s because we are rebuking the “acceptable” ways of this world which are legal by man’s laws but sinful according to God’s laws. God says His people would be known as “peculiar” and that’s far better than being known as stupid. I’m not calling names as I don’t believe in it. You see, you can educate ignorant (peculiar) but you can’t educate stupid. I will always be ignorant and willing to be open to learning. But as in 2 Timothy 3:5 I stay away from those who are close minded, condenscending, and to quick to ridicule without substantial facts. After a while, even God turns unbelievers over to a reprobate mind, withdrawing His shield of protection in order to draw them closer—that usually results from a bad or traumatic event. I am not willing to test that. I accept it on faith. Ask any prisoner.

        Grace and mercy, Jayne

    • elifius william says:

      i dont believe that the old covenant has any authority of Christians today nor that any old testament promise or commandment which was directed to the Jews apply to new testament believers. there are scriptures that speak to gentiles and there are wonderful promises to them.. the Sabbath holds no salvation decree that i am convince of. but this one thing i stand on just like salvation is of the Jews so the Sabbath was introduced to the gentiles of the Jews.. when given the choice to choose between the the Sabbath charged to the Jews and the first day of the week appointed by man the choice i should take is clear… a tradition born out of a God Given commandment is far better than one born out of a man’s reasoning… the thing i hate most about the Sabbath argument is the way both sides blatantly condemn the other. is it not GOD’s place to condemn. if one disagrees let them disagree without condemning for what if you are wrong does not your condemnation of the other fall on you…

  74. R Benhur Kishore says:

    I have read with interest the main article as well as all the comments.
    Can someone please explain this line: ” Now our rest is in the finished work of Jesus, not just a day.” We rest from what, how and when? Which day?

    Also Brian Hyde tells us “The keeping of the Lord’s Day as the first day of the week came to be known, is a tradition that has never been a substitute
    for the Jewish Sabbath.” Isn’t this exactly what Jesus was warning us against? Matt:15:19’in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrine the
    commandments of men”. Please show one verse which says Sabbath is shifted to Sunday, or any commandment from Jesus that he was going to change the seventh
    day Sabbath.”Chapter and verse, now, please”. You can never do this. The reason why Jesus did not reiterate Sabbath keeping was because Sabbath keeping
    was a way of life for them. Nobody had to be told to observe the Sabbath !Read Cardinal Gibbons excellent paper in ‘The Catholic Mirror-Sept 23, 1893′
    “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to
    Sunday”.
    Sunday keeping has no Biblical sanction. The subject of the Old Covenant has not changed in the New Covenant.It is still about keeping God’s laws.
    Also can someone explain the difference between the Lord’s day and the Day of the Lord? If it refers to a Sunday, then how many Sundays have passed
    since Acts.2:20, I Cor.1:8, Phil.1:6, 2 Pet.3:1 etc…?because the Day of the Lord is mentioned in them.
    What is the difference between Balaam’s donkey and the donkey of Balaam?

    • Jayne Stewart says:

      RBK, Well put. And you’re correct. The Catholic Church, also known as the papacy, changed the Seventh Day Sabbath (Saturday) day of worship to Sunday. From everything I have studied, the papacy is responsible for confusing God’s doctrines with man’s doctrines and the Pope “playing God” and changing God’s words to allow for excuses for sins instead of holding each other accountable for breaking God’s commands. But, that leads to another discussion concerning the antichrist as described in Daniel 7 with emphasis given to verse 25. Do you want to open that “can of worms”?

      Grace and mercy, Jayne

    • Jayne Stewart says:

      The Day of The Lord is a phrase usually interpreted as a period in the end-time when God will bring His purpose for man and the world to fulfillment. This will be the day of judgment for the rebellious and sinful (Jer. 46:10) and a time of deliverance for the godly (Joel 2:28-32). Any time—-whether now or in the future—when The Lord acts, intervening in history for the purpose of deliverance and judgment may also be described as the “day of The Lord” (isa. 13:6). Reference Bible Dictionary by George Knight.

      Can you give me the verse that says, “Now our rest is in the finished work of Jesus, not just a day”? I can’t find it. Also, keeping the Sabbath wasn’t just a way of life—it was the 4th Commandment and Jesus was sent not to change the law, but to fulfill it–Matthew 5:17. Also, The Day of The Lord mentioned in the verses you listed is referring to the Rapture or 2nd coming of Jesus Christ our Lord.

      However, you are correct in that God didn’t change the Seventh-day Sabbath to Sunday. The Pope did and billions of people are being deceived in believing a mortal pagan man instead of God’s Word. Every denomination except the SDA have included many papal doctrines and allowed the pope to “act as God” and confuse the Word of God with his changes. And who does God call this enmity? THE ANTICHRIST. God’s Words give 9 characteristics of the antichrist in Daniel 7: 1. The “little horn” referring to a little kingdom in Western Europe. 2. it could have a man at its head who could speak for it. Daniel 7:8 3. It would uproot 3 kingdoms—verse 8. 4. it would be diverse from the other kingdoms—verse 24. 5. it would make war with and persecute saints—verse 21, 25. 6. it would emerge from pagan Roman Empire—the 4th world kingdom—verse 7,8. 7. God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and the dividing of time”—verse 25. 8. It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God–verse 25. 9. It would “think to change times and laws” verse 25.

      God just wants us to measure our character and integrity against His 10 Commandments. How do you measure up and what are you going to do about it? Everyone should do this self-test daily. Die to selfish self and follow God’s Will as written in His Word—not man’s word. As SDA’s we are encouraged to not believe everything we hear but to research the Bible and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth of God’s Words—to be led by the Holy Spirit—-not man, priests, pastors, popes, etc.—mortal man can deceive—the Holy Spirit won’t/can’t. I hope this helps clarify some of the confusion produced by Brian Hyde. I don’t understand him either. He is gradually being viewed as “Satan on my heels” and I’m getting ready to kick him off—so to speak!

    • midorilei says:

      R Benhur Kishore. Hebrews 3 and 4. Maybe people who go to church on Sunday aren’t “Sunday” keepers the way there are “Sabbath” keepers. Maybe “today” meaning, everyday, is a day of rest. Maybe, as Jesus expounded on the other letters of the law, this law was also expounded upon. Instead of just murder, there is hate. Instead of just adultery, there is lust.

      Maybe, instead of just one Sabbath day of rest, we can “rest” every day figuratively because we don’t have to “work” for our salvation.

      Hebrews 4: 4-11—

      4 For he has somewhere spoken of the SEVENTH DAY in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5 And again in this passage he said,

      “They shall not enter my rest.”

      6 Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 again he appoints a certain day, “TODAY,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

      “Today, if you hear his voice,
      do not harden your hearts.”

      8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God[b] would not have spoken of ANOTHER DAY later on. 9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10 for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

      11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.

      ———————

      “Today” is everyday after Christ died and rose and granted us his true rest.

      • R Benhur Kishore says:

        Midorilei, too many ‘maybe’s! Just ONE verse in the NT which says”OK, enough of this Sabbath, Let’s switch over to Sunday”…spoken by Jesus or any of the disciples ? No one can show it. It’s just a tradition of men.True, you can worship the Lord any day of the week, but the Lord sanctified the seventh day and hallowed it and told us to remember it. Please refer Matt.5:17-18. Also look up G4137 in Strong’s Dictionary.

  75. brianhyde says:

    Never takes long before they emerge — Seventh-day Adventists and kindred spirits, trading their wares (SDA propoganda). The sect, which defines itself as “the remnant” and “the only church on earth God approves of” has been separate from the Body of Christ for 170 years. It is infamous for its pernicious attempt to corrupt the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ with its own brand of judaising.

  76. brianhyde says:

    The problem with Sabbatarians is that they base their beliefs on pure assumption. Assumption is an open door to “cross conceptualization” an attempt to mix two mutually exclusive ideas. This is particularly pertinent in the case of the two covenants. In the old covenantal age God gave law setting out His goals and purposes for humanity through outward works of obedience, whereas in the new covenantal age God’s goals and purposes for humanity are set out in the finished work of Christ and the new nature gifted to us in Him, whereby His law is worked into the heart and becomes an integral part of our nature (Jer 31:31-34.)

    So what we have is a transition from physical (old covenant) to spiritual (new covenant).
    The sabbath is a one-day-a-week-ritual. At Sinai God linked his act of commemorating (commemoration = ceremonial) his finished work following day 6 of creation, with the seventh-day of the week and made it a visible sign of the covenent he made with the nation Israel (Ex. 31:13).
    All the Law (and the Prophets) prefigured Christ and God’s intention was for Israel to learn from the physical how to believe in the spiritual; to trust in and depend on HIM, i.e. to spiritually rest in the PERSON of His Son. But they did not learn the lesson and assumed that rest in God came from physical rest. They turned the day into a religion and it became a religious observance ever after. Consequently, Israel rejected the spiritual reality, Christ, their Rest. Those who observe the Sabbath today, like the Jews, have not entered into Christ, their Rest, abut have substituted the physical for the spiritual reality.
    In scripture, it is an overarching principle that first comes the physical (OT covenant) and then comes ther spiritual (NT covenant). But if you interpret the new covenant physically (with the mind of the religionist) you will assume you have to DO instead of to BELIEVE. Contrary to what is taught, Sabbath keeping is not an act of faith; it is an act of unbelief. There remains a sabbath rest for Sabbatarians!

    • Jayne Stewart says:

      To level the playing field, so to speak, could you please divulge your religious affiliation, if any? You’re making assumptions backed by NOTHING. Yes, God made a covenant with Israel and if you don’t accept by FAITH that you’re a “grafted in” son of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac–then you’ve given yourself over to a reprobate mind and nothing can save you—except a converted heart. Your digs were vicious, HOWEVER, meaningless. Let’s talk facts—not empty opinions. Opinions are like lies—they don’t exists, consequently, can cause more damage and destruction than any truth. Who else does that describe????

    • R Benhur Kishore says:

      You have mentioned that “The problem with Sabbatarians is that they base their beliefs on pure assumption.” That is exactly what Sunday keepers do-ASSUME-
      with no biblical basis. The Sabbath was instituted by God so that man can rest after working for six days and refresh/ rejuvenate his body and mind.Contrary
      to what you say, there remains therefore a rest to the people of God (Heb.5:9)not just Sabbatarians. You have mentioned that keeping the first day of the week is a tradition. In 1546, the Catholic Church promulgated a decree stating that Scripture AND tradition are to be received and venerated equally.
      I suggest you throw away all your assumptions and excess baggage like the writings of the Early Church Fathers etc, and read just the Holy Bible.
      You will be amazed at the truths that it will reveal.

      btw, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, I am from an Anglican Church background and read the Bible like the Bereans.

      • elifius william says:

        many ‘Sunday worshipers’ tend to place the Sabbath inn the category of ceremonial law giving themselves a excuse…. the Sabbath was introduced to the Jews before the covenant was made between God and them, thus the reason for the ‘remember’ in that commandment.i do agree that our rest is in the finished work of Jesus at the cross but this is our spiritual rest. the Sabbath is a celebration of the finished work of creation.many religions have their day of worship/rest.- “Jesus Himself repeats and reinforces nine of the Ten Commandments. The only exception is the Sabbath, because that is part of the ceremonial law. Now our rest is in the finished work of Jesus, not just a day.”- here lies this question how is it that the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law whiles it is part of the ten… without the Sabbath there is no connection of the first three commandments to the bottom six.. as it is only when a man connects to God that he can truly connect to his neighbor.the Sabbath brings men together to worship God, for creating, for life, for strength and a testimony to the everlasting rest to come.. if there is no rest in a day for Christians today then week should work every day not giving place to day where we meet and worship GOD… away with Saturday church service, away with Sunday church service.. let it no longer be preached from the pulpit…. can there be true worship without a Sabbath ( a day when all the daily labor {house work,job, recreation}activities that make your life is ceased) when a focus on the Creator is made.. to all who have been disillusioned to believe that Sunday is a new testament type of Sabbath ask your self if the Sabbath was done away with why is it a that so many churches today have establish another Sabbath in Sunday going against what they themselves preach.. the bottom line is our christian religion came out of the Jewish religion and at the time the God that we serve today as Christians had one day established as appointed for worship that is the biblical Sabbath which the Jews kept and also the early christian Fathers. one GOD, one Day of Worship….i believe that the authority of the first covenant has been taken away from it and if any were to break that which is written the punishment does not apply- breaking of the Sabbath meant death to the guilty.. under grace we are still to keep it in praise to the Creator but one is not condemned if he is found to have broken that old commandment… the Sabbath was also a sign of the Jews faithfulness to the covenant made with God,yes it was a commandment and a testimony to the covenant such was its importance… want to also point out the 5th commandment – 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.- spoken directly to the Jews the land here being Israel… what claim has a christian to this promise? none yet we are to honor are father and mother none the less. its time believers stop taking the religious leader’s word as gospel and open their bibles and get to the truth themselves….

    • elifius william says:

      ‘In scripture, it is an overarching principle that first comes the physical (OT covenant) and then comes ther spiritual (NT covenant). But if you interpret the new covenant physically (with the mind of the religionist) you will assume you have to DO instead of to BELIEVE.’….true,well said. i have only this one issue. as long as we are in this physical body we are subjected to the physical… the ‘works'(evidence) that are born out of faith should not be confused with those that are born out man’s attempt to attain salvation by works (religious actions/traditions/sacrifices)… you have also condemn all who worship on the Sunday ( Sunday Sabbathkeeper’s) for many denominations Sunday is the new Sabbath… if you go to church on Sunday religiously and have set it aside as your day to worship whether the laws governing it is as strict or much looser than that of the Jewish Sabbath it still stands that it is a Sabbath…. if your conscience condemns you…

      • brianhyde says:

        Christianity has a duty to expose institutionalised error not it is not about condemning individuals for what they do or do not according to their conscience, and that includes which day they choose to worship. Each one must be persuaded in their own mind as they are personally led by the Spirit and the Word. There will always be those who resort to threat and intimidation to coerce others into believing what they think about this or that. This is iconoclastic of a cult. I watch with amusement the Seventh-day Adventtst cult members here twisting and turning the Word of God in a fanatical attempt to support their spurious Sabbath; “spurious” because there no sanction in Genesis or the New Testament for gentiles to keep the Sabbath. This blog has set out all the reasons why and they do not need to be regurgitated. But Seventh-day Adventists will argue against scripture logic and reason, until the cows come home.

        Nor is Sunday a Sabbath. The way Christians keep Sunday as their chosen day of worship to mark the resurection life of Christ, bears no resemblance to the Hebraic /Jewish Sabbath, which scripture evidences to be a ceremony instituted by Yahweh between Himself and the nation srael. Observance of the Sabbath in strict accordance with the fourth commandment and all the associated laws demanded by the Torah, is impossible today, and don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. All the Law of Moses, and that includes the Decalogue, the covenant words, (notwithstanding Seventh-day Adventists have talked themselves into believing otherwise) was intricately bound to the sacrificial system and required the blood of animals because all that was done under the old covenant required cleansing through blood. The Sabbath as with all the Law of Moses was no exception. Indeed, the Sabbath, being the covenantal Sign (and “sign” means symbolic) required special sacrifices.

        Seventh-day Adventists delude themselves that they are keeping the Mosaic Sabbath. They are not. Their so-called observance (whatever form that is supposed to be for there is no instruction for Christians) is as a consequence mummery, a total farce, a mockery of the shadow and an insult to the Lord Jesus, the Substance of all the Law and the Prophets. ALL the Law and the Prophets prefigured Christ and His Person. We are now under a new covenant sealed in His blood. The new covenant is distinguished by one overarching law–the law of love. It is the law of law. It is self-sacrificing love. It is the unwritten law of heaven and the unwritten law for Christ Body the Church. The kingdom of Christ has not come with observation (it is invisible and what is invisible is eternal) it is therefore a spiritual kingdom with spiritual laws. Love does no harm or wrong to others. This is the sole principle by which new testament believers are to operate and judge what is acceptable to God.

      • Jayne Stewart says:

        Brianhyde—because of 1 Timothy 1:6 referring to you, my communication with you is finished.

  77. brianhyde says:

    My last post was written in some haste and does not accurately set out all that I wanted to say. I apologise to readers for that. Here is an updated version for their consideration.

    Christianity has a duty to expose religious/ institutionalized error. But it is not about condemning individuals for what they do or not do according to their conscience, and that includes the day they choose to worship. Each one must be persuaded in their own mind as they are individually led by the Spirit and the Word. There will always be those who condemn others for what they believe about this or that and breathe out threatenings of God’s wrath against them. Seventh-day Adventists are no exception. But we should not be surprised at this because this is a characteristic of all cults.

    I watch with amusement the Seventh-day Adventist cult members who have recently swarmed to this blog to overturn the premise set forth by the blog author and supporters like myself. I have said this before, that when it comes to twisting the word of God, Seventh-day Adventists wrote the book. They will simply stop at nothing, even to the point of committing calumny against the Lord, in a fanatical bid to promote their peculiar brand of Judaistic pseudo-Christianity with its spurious Sabbath. I say “spurious” because there is no sanction in Genesis for gentiles, or in the New Testament for Christians, to keep the old covenant Sabbath. This blog has set out all the reasons why and these do not need to be regurgitated. But Seventh-day Adventists will argue over and against scripture, logic and reason.

    Nor is Sunday a Sabbath. The way Christians, who keep Sunday as their chosen day of worship to mark the resurrection life of Christ, bears no resemblance to the Hebraic /Jewish Sabbath. In any case, the old covenant Sabbath is plainly set forth in scripture as a ceremony instituted by Yahweh, for the nation Israel and no other nation. Strict observance of the Sabbath, in accordance with the fourth precept of the Decalogue and associated Sabbath rules and regulation found in the rest of the Pentateuch, is impossible today. This is because there is no priesthood and no Temple and no sacrifice. So when somebody tells you they are observing the Sabbath they are not. Observance of the Law of Moses, and that includes the Decalogue –the covenant words—(notwithstanding Seventh-day Adventists have talked themselves into believing otherwise) was inseparably bound to the sacrificial system and required the blood of animals. Everything that was done under the old covenant required ceremonial cleansing through blood and the Sabbath convocations was no exception. Indeed, the Sabbath, being the covenantal Sign (and “sign” means symbolic) required special sacrifices and special anointing.

    Seventh-day Adventists boast that they are keeping the Mosaic Sabbath. This is a lie. Each week they go through the motion in the keeping of a day that they have labelled “Sabbath” but which bears no resemblance to the Sabbath that Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to keep. What Adventists offer up each week is a product of their deluded imaginations, an empty ritual; senseless mummery. It is a total farce. It is a mockery of the shadow and an insult to the Lord Jesus, the Substance of all the Law and the Prophets. Ironically, they actually BREAK what they purport to KEEP and, since they have placed themselves under the Law, they are under its curse. In point of fact, Seventh-day Adventists are under a double curse—that of the Law (Gal 3:13) and that of preaching a false gospel (Gal 1:8).

    All the Law and the Prophets prefigured Christ and His Person. We are now under a new covenant, sealed in His blood. The new covenant is distinguished by one overarching law–the law of love. The law of law. It is self-sacrificing love. It is the law of heaven and the law for Christ’s Body, the Church. The kingdom of Christ has not come with observation (i.e. it is invisible, spiritual) and as a spiritual kingdom it has spiritual laws. Jesus set forth the law of love expressed in different ways—to love others as He loved us (Jn 15:12) which is unto death if necessary, and to do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Matt 7:12) –the Golden Rule. Paul expressed it this way: “Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loves another HAS fulfilled the law” (Rom 13:8). Love is the sole principle by which New Testament believers are to operate in their service to God and to man.

  78. Aidan Melody says:

    Love God with all you heart with all your mind and with all your soul,for man love one another as I have loved you.God said if you love Me you will keep My commandments,your choice.Why not keep Gods ten commandments,is it because they associate us with the Jews,or is it easier to keep Sunday worship.Jesus was/is Gods servant,He kept the Sabbath not because He was a Jew but because He was/is Gods servant.We can argue till we are blue in the face and at the end of the day it all comes down to faith.I believe in God and i believe in Jesus,Gods true and divine Son,i follow Jesus who will lead me to God.I can stand before God and say You told me to love You by keeping Your commandments,no one in Heaven told me otherwise.What will you say to God when you stand before Him.The same goes for His Son Jesus,God said,twice,this is my Son etc,God does not lie or deceive,again i will stand before God and say You told me Jesus was your Son,on these matters i will be saved or dammed.Believe in what God says,its the Truth,let man argue till their end.

    • brianhyde says:

      THE GREAT EXCHANGE..

      Christians are continually trying to change their lives; but God calls us to experience the exchanged life. Christianity is not a self-improvement program. It isn’t a reformation project. It is resurrection! It is new life! And it is expressed in terms of a total exchange of identity. Jesus Christ identified Himself with us in our death in order that we might be identified with Him in His resurrection. We give Christ all that we were ­ spiritually dead, guilty sinners ­ and Christ gives us all that He is ­ resurrected life, forgiveness, righteousness, acceptance.

      We have total acceptance because we have experienced a total exchange: “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Examine some of the results of our being given a standing of total acceptance before God (our justification).

      We have been made at peace with God. (Romans 5:1)We are safe from God’s wrath. (Romans 5:9) We have been freed from all condemnation. (Romans 8:1) We have been made perfect forever. (Hebrews 10:14) We have been made complete. (Colossians 2:9,10)

      We Christians have been made complete in Christ. We are forgiven, redeemed, made spiritually alive, and we stand in the righteousness of Christ, totally accepted. Are we perfectly mature? No. That won’t happen until the day of resurrection…

      Because we have experienced God’s great exchange, we can consider the past dead and gone, and concentrate on walking in the new life we have received.

      There are many people who find this message offensive and get angry. There’s another group which says, “Yes, yes, I know what you’re saying is true. But…you have to go on to practical truth.” Listen! There is nothing more practical than the message of God’s love and grace, and the believer’s identity in Christ! People are always looking for God’s power, and this is it!

      Whatever you or I may be struggling with, the answer is the same. It is only through a total exchange that we will begin to see the changes we desire.

      Bob George

  79. FRANS says:

    Thank you for the works.

  80. willie owens says:

    I’m trying to find books on the old covenant that is detailed in each principle as well as the new covenant. Also detailed info on what took place at the covenant meal. Can you suggest books & authors?

    • bribrit says:

      The best book I know, and it is available online. is Andrew Murray’s Two Covenants and Second Blessing. Its considered a classic in that genre.

  81. bribrit says:

    One of the best websites dealing with the two covenants is the following. They will also answer any questions you may have. It really is an excellent resource.

    http://www.gci.org/law/covenants

  82. bribrit says:

    To give you an idea of the range of articles on the gci website here is the site menu. Hope that helps. God bless you in your studies. Grace and peace in the Master

    Articles About Old Testament Laws

    Articles About the Covenants Covenants in the Bible
    What is the Law of God for Christians?
    The Old Covenant and the Law of Moses
    Can Old Covenant Worship Laws Become New Covenant Spiritual “Shadows”?
    Comparison of Old and New Covenants
    Has the New Covenant Been Made?
    What Do the Scriptures Say About the Sabbath?
    The New Covenant in a Nutshell
    The New Covenant Is Older Than You Think
    Are Old Testament Laws Still Binding on Christians?
    Circumcision: A Test Case for Evaluating Old Testament Laws
    Are Some Meats Unclean?
    Is Tithing Required in the New Covenant?

    Sabbath, Circumcision, and Tithing: Which Old Testament Laws Apply to Christians?
    The Role of the Decalogue in Christian Ethics
    What Scripture Says About the Annual Festivals
    Which Old Testament Laws Apply to Christians Today?
    From Sunday to Sabbath: Bibliography

    • Aidan Melody says:

      Jesus is NOT God,He is His only true and divine Son.Why is everyone talking about Jesus,what about God,who make all in heaven and in earth.Worship God and God alone,Jesus said so.How do you love and worship God,what did God say,if you love Me you will keep My commandments,the ten,which are in the arc in heaven and they will be revealed on the last day,Revelation.No where in the Holy Bible does it state that the ten commandments are done away with,they are GODS commandments and God will tell us when they are finished.Jesus died for all sins of this cursed World,sins of the past,present and the future,ALL SINS that are committed.GOD SAVED US,HE saved us by sending HIS Only Son to us as a human sacrifice,and Jesus obeyed God and we were saved because of Jesus willingness to die a brutal death for us,therefor both God and Jesus saved us,without God no,without Jesus no.By God and Jesus actions the death sentence of the old covenant was done away with,now if we break the ten commandments our sin can be forgiven,as the sins of the past can and as the sin of the future can,ALL Can Be SAVED from heaven and earth,if only you would repent,this is the good news of God/Jesus gospel,it does not mean you can commit a deliberate sin,God forbid.ALL THAT IS SCARED TO GOD IS STILL SCARED TO GOD,it is now up to you to know what is,FOR GOD DOES NOT CHANGE,it is now by the way of Jesus and the Holy Spirit that will help you to sin no more and to enable you to keep all that is scared to God in the circumstances you find yourself in,if somehow you would just repent,with all your heart,with all your mind,and with all your soul,to God,Jesus will know,this is the narrow road that leads to heaven,its not easy in this evil World but you have Jesus on your side,believe.

      • Jesus is the son of God while also being God himself.
        If you do not know who God is then you don’t know who Jesus is.
        The 10 commandments, did God give it to us (Gentiles) or to the Israelites? are you a gentile or Israelite?
        Yes God said to Jews they should keep the commandment, but what did Jesus say? “if you love me keep MY commandments”.
        You cannot go to the Father except through Jesus.
        What did he say to the rich man? “to be perfect and gain eternal life, follow me”. Only through Jesus is how we can enter eternal life.
        No Jesus died for our past and present sins, not future sins. If you say future sins, wouldn’t that mean I can see all I want and still go to heaven?

        Brother I think you should look more into Jesus. If you can you will know he is God himself. Not everyone can be saved, it is only be the will of the Father that we are saved, saved to know Jesus is son.
        As the word says: “many are called, few are chosen”.
        but keep reading the bible, i’m learning as I read and grow.

  83. Richard Rhea says:

    Jesus is God. His is God incarnate (God in flesh). He is Savior, Messiah, Lord.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
    (John 1:1-5)

    Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
    (Hebrews 1:1-3)

    For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
    (Colossians 1:16-17)

    The OT convinces us we need a Savior. We have all broken the perfect law of God. The law can’t save us. It can’t change us. It shows us we are dead in our sin. The OT is full of shadows and illustrations of Jesus. Once Jesus came the shadows and illustrations came to an end (Temple, Priests, sacrifices). Read Hebrews 8 – (the whole letter teaches us about the failure of the old covenant to save – and the superiority of Jesus).

    In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    (Hebrews 8:13)

    And it did literally in 70 AD

  84. Dianna says:

    Since I came out of a church that kept the Law of Moses, the Sabbath, the Holy Days, the Dietary Laws everything except the sacrifices, great loving people, taught that the Bible was the Truth of God but they were the only ones who had the Truth, they taught me that we were not in the New Covenant yet that we wouldn’t be in the New Covenant until the Millennium. I believe these verses state differently: II Cor. 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant–not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. (New Covenant) Ex. 24:8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.” (Old Covenant). Rom. 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God. Rom. 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. I Cor. 11:25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” Heb. 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. (As quoted by Richard, above). What say you?

  85. Andy says:

    The information in this article was very enlightening and beneficial as I was searching to answer my wife’s questions. The breakdown of ceremonial, civil and moral was just the right thing to help in our study. many thanks for sharing your research!

  86. Thanks very much brother for this. will keep this post down.

    but for what Mckinney says at the last bit
    “In Summary, the ceremonial and civil laws of the Old Testament are no longer binding on us, while the moral laws are.”
    No the Moral laws are not binding to us, as Paul said “we are no longer under the law” in both Romans and Galatians 3.
    Jesus did say if you love your neighbour you would not covet him nor kill him.
    The new covenant is already in effect!

    If the old covenant was: don’t kill or covet your neighbour.
    the new covenant written in our hearts by holy spirit will convict us that coveting your neighbour is wrong, and then you will not do it. Also fruit of the spirit is love, so we having the love cannot kill our neighbour.

    We’re no longer under the law, the moral law is not binding in us.
    if i go to any country of course their law is we must not kill. Basically with the new covenant, we know already we cannot kill.

    • Afriend says:

      Yes I agree with you. Under Galatians 3:23–25 it states clearly about the law being their guardian before Jesus Christ. Verse 25 “now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian,”

      Matthew 22:34-40:The Greatest Commandment – [You need to read all scriptures for a better understanding]
      1st “Love God with all your heart” and 2nd “Love thy neighbor as yourself”. If you read verse 40 “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments”.

      John 15:9-17:This is my command “Love each other”.

      Matthew 5:17-18:The Fulfillment of the Law
      As many already mentioned, Christ came to fulfill, and not to abolish the law.

      If that makes no sense to you, then GOD help you [GODSPEED]

  87. R Benhur Kishore says:

    Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
    1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
    1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

  88. Issac belho says:

    thank you Jesus for this site, God bless the one who wrote this mightly

  89. Jerry says:

    The old covenant is found in Ex. 20-23 sealed in blood in Ex. 24. Everything else new was added later and became the law and was not part of the covenant. Once a covenant is agreed to it cannot be nullified or added to. Because of transgressions against the covenant the law was added to be part of the daily life but did not become part of the covenant. It was to be their teacher in bringing them into a right understanding.

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  91. Mano says:

    Love all your comments related to this topic.One thing i want to make clear that :THE HOLY BIBLE” which we have in hand..does it all have the word that god has spoke,or does it have some human knowledge influenced.When we say Word of God..All words are said by God to mankind without human knowledge like modifications,alteration,addition and deletion of what required and NOT,And in new testament what we read is mostly letters of Paul to Church who again is a mankind and teaches his advices for churches which we insist to follow.Thanks…

    • Reekee says:

      It’s funny but understandable why humans would want to do away with God’s Sabbath and do their own thing. Why would filthy humans want to close their businesses on the Sabbath (Saturday), the most busiest money making day of the week. Only a people that puts God first and not money would follow the 4th Commandment. If this was not the case, then the Romans would have no reason to change the worship day from Saturday to Sunday. Now they also want to change the bible to say that gays are acceptable righteousness and God’s word about homosexual is done away with also: Hear God’s Word::::::::::
      Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”1
      Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”
      1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
      Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

      I wonder what will be next to do away with in the bible?
      Probably thou shall not kill…

      In my understanding and that’s just my understanding, for God’s Sabbath to be part of the Ten Commandments, he must of felt it to be very important. And knew that just like killing your brother, we will allow Satan to stand in the way of our union with him (GOD).

      Reekee

      • Mano says:

        @Reekee : As is said in my earlier post….since the BIBLE is been modified and edited by a group of people which knowingly or unknowingly has injucted human influence..causes a huge contradiction and hence it has become easier for us to modify things as per our wish..Lets wait and see what changes are again been brought to us saying it is a WORD OF GOD.. Thanks :)

  92. Roxanne says:

    Its not that difficult people. Romans chapter 14 pretty much explains it. The laws are written on your heart. If you feel it is right to kill someone….you need to examine your heart.

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  94. F says:

    Hi,
    I see a lot of the arguments states, “there is nothing about this or that in the new testament, thus it is not applicable to us today”.

    Now, when God inspired the people to write the OC, 2 Timothy 16
    1. Do you think God did not know at that stage there would be a NC?
    Surly he did

    2. There is n verse stating that “all of the scripture applies to us”
    If God said it in the OC why do you want him to say it again in the NC?

    3. There is a verse stating that “God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow”
    4 Another one states “God does not change”
    so why would He say in the OC to keep certain thing and in the NC change his mind so that we do not need to keep it, then He is not the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, then God does change!

  95. MidnightSunshine says:

    JESUS DID NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFILL THE LAW. THE SABBATH DAY WAS KEPT BY JESUS. IT WAS KEPT BY HIS CLOSE FRIENDS, DISCIPLES, AND FAMILY AFTER HIS WORK WAS FINISHED AND AFTER HIS ASCENSION. THE MOSAIC LAWS WERE TEMPORARY AND SHOWN BY THEIR PLACEMENT ON THE SIDE OF THE ARK. THE TEN COMMANDMENT LAWS, INCLUDING THE SABBATH, WERE PLACED INSIDE OF THE ARK. THE MOSAIC LAWS ENDED AT THE CROSS, BUT THE TEN COMMANDS POINTED TO ETERNITY. SABBATH WILL BE KEPT IN THE KINGDOM. MOSES LAWS WERE TEMPORARY, BUT THE TEN WERE PERFECTLY WRITTEN BY GOD. NO, WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW. JESUS MODELED THE TEN COMMAND LAW, AND WE ARE TO MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO FOLLOW HIS PERFECT EXAMPLE. IF WE ERR, WE HAVE THE PROMISE OF THE CROSS TO LIFT US UP AGAIN.

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  97. Bryan S says:

    “Jesus Himself repeats and reinforces nine of the Ten Commandments. The only exception is the Sabbath, because that is part of the ceremonial law. Now our rest is in the finished work of Jesus, not just a day.”

    This is a lie that comes straight from the pit of Hell. The Sabbath is a perpetual covenant which means everlasting; never ending or changing. If YAHUSHUA would have broken or disannulled any of the ten commandments that would have made Him a sinner, and we all know He did not sin.

    Furthermore, Matthew 11:27 states, “All things are delivered unto me of my FATHER.” John 5:19 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the FATHER do: for what things soever HE doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.” John 5:30 I can of Mine own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the FATHER which hath sent me.
    BOOM!!! Did u see that. The LORD does nothing on His own. His words are not His words, His actions are not His actions, but all belong to His FATHER so that HE may be glorified.

    Do you honestly think that YAHUSHUA would go against His FATHER’s will by breaking the 4th commandment? GOD forbid. He kept the Sabbath while He walked the earth; His disciples kept the Sabbath after Christ’s death & ascension; and the early church kept the Sabbath for hundreds of years after Christ. And as the remnant seed of Abraham, we too are to keep the Sabbath.

    Please brethren….worship the LORD in Spirit & in Truth.

  98. R Benhur Kishore says:

    Well said, Bro. Basically I think people are against / have an aversion to Sabbath because it is ‘Jewish’. The god of this world has blinded the minds of them…In spite of so many comments, not one person has been able to quote ONE verse doing away with the Sabbath, because it does not exist. They can shout themselves hoarse but they can’t prove it.Sunday observance is a tradition of men from the early centuries A.D., and people are only trying to justify it by manipulating the scriptures to suit their arguments.

  99. conrad says:

    Except the sabbath?
    Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath that is why we need to keep the sabbath.
    D early believers of Jesus observed d sabbath Polycarp d disciple of John d apostle encourage d authority of rome to celebrate on d 7th day not Sunday. Sunday worship was practiced almost 100 yrs after d ressurrection of Jesus Christ we are mis informed that Sunday is d sabbath. Sabbath was designed starting Genesis later reiterated in d time of moses. Honestly, we don’t celebrate sabbath is because it is jewish thing and since d early christian teachers prior to d days of enligthment of d church were anti semitic …. anathema to judaizer death penalty if u don’t worship in Sunday by constantine :-)

  100. Beloved, you know it is very interesting that we so enjoy “doubtful disputation” (Ro 14: 1) concerning biblical interpretation. (I am just as guilty of this as the next brother or sister.)

    And it is very interesting that we often seem to ignore the bible’s own commentary on itself or interpretation of itself.

    Is it possible that the following passages from Ro 14 together and Col 2:16 tell us how to approach the question of keeping the Sabbath?

    Ro 14:
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

    Col 2: 16
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

    “doubtful disputations. “Doubtful disputations” refer to critical judgments on the inward reasonings of others. Unless some practice is specifically revealed in Scripture to be right or wrong, each believer should be free to formulate his own convictions about it. New Christians may still feel constrained by certain criteria they had followed earlier, and thus may be reluctant to change when they become saved. Unless these are specifically enjoined or prohibited in the Word of God, older believers should receive them into fellowship without argument or criticism.” (http://www.icr.org/books/defenders/7284/)

    Could it be true that God’s ways are not our ways? Could it be true that God is more concerned about whether his children are sincere about their understandings of “Sabbath keeping” and less concerned about which days they literally keep holy?

    Could the bible’s interpretation of itself be correct? “LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND.”

    Some of us who love God and love His Word desire to keep the Sabbath, some The Lord’s Day, and some desire to keep both holy. Could it be that God is well pleased with each of us, as long as we are sincere?

  101. I have gone through many discussions before me in this article. If the (OC)Old Covenant was capable enough to give salvation to sinners then there was no need for Jesus to die on the cross for our salvation.Salvation is through Jesus and not by the works (Old covenant). We (non Jews) are saved by grace (New Covenant) and not by works (Old Covenant). God demolished OC as people can’t be saved by this, and gave New covenant in Jesus. A covenant of Life, Spirit & Freedom from our sins, faith in JESUS alone.

  102. R Benhur Kishore says:

    God Almighty gave us the new covenant not because it would not save us but because ‘they continued not in my covenant….’Heb.8:9. Also in Heb.8:8 he found fault with ‘them’, the people, not the covenant.

  103. Ronald K. Kalira. says:

    I wanted also to know or learn the link or similarities between the passover during old testament and the holy communion today. Secondly the major effectiveness of both to the past generation (passover), and as is to us the present generation(holy-communion).Regards,R.K.Kalira.

  104. if the ceremonial law and the civil law as written in the old testament are not binding on us,why did JESUS told us in (mathew 5:17-20)told us that he did not come to abolish the law rather he came to fulfile it,did he fulfilled it for us or for him to show us example so that we must observe and keep them?

  105. adjei boafo says:

    Pls i do share so much and the lesson is aducative .thanks maygod bless you.

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